fanatic6711

Trying to compare it to other cars but can't find it. Can someone provide a link?

justwant1

Car and Driver posted a 5.46 0-60 time.

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yeah cabable of 5.5, more likely without beating on the car to see 5.6-5.8. if you want a more painfree and less bias time, look at 5-60. this elimates tire quality and launch method from the equation. the Z does 5-60 in 6 seconds flat. some others you might be interested in
........................(0-60)
supra TT - 6.3 (5.3)
315hp modified M2 WRX - 5.9 (4.4)
Stock WRX - 7.4 (5.9)
viper(haha) - 4.5 (4.0)
S2000 - 6.8 (5.8)


some mags launch at different RPMs, some admit that their launch tecniques are less than safe on the car. but 5-60 is an indication of the power the car has, launched out of its powerband on a even playing feild. while the Z has a very respectable 0-60 time, this helps to show the differences between the Z and various cars that have similair 0-60 times, yet can not match the 5-60 times.

also the 5-60 can indicate highway characteristics without a downshift.

Da Gimp

Ok this is something that has confused me for a while. I don't understand why 5-60 times are longer than 0-60 times. Seems like you would take the 0-60 time and subtract the 0-5 time and you'd have the 5-60 time. Someone enlighten me.

ZpikeZ

5-60 times start the car at a lower rpm (let's say 1000, but it's even lower) in first gear than a 0-60 time w/ a dump or feather clutch start (3000 rpm).

2,000 rpm makes a world of difference, even though the 5-60 time has less mph to make up. Try cruising at 1,000 rpm in 2nd, then slam on the gas. Do the same thing, this time hit the gas @ 3,000 rpm. You will see.

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yup like I said, it removes the launch from the equation. tread compound doesnt matter, nor does drive wheels. thats why WRX shows its weak spot so bad. it also shows its turbo lag. its basicly how fast the car is through the whole RPM band, rather than skipping to high RPMs from a launch.

this is the kind of test that shows drivability, power without trying.

flyz33

excellent expanation fellas

soulswimmer

Where did you find Car and Drive reporting times to the 100th of a sec? I thought they just rounded to the tenth. Just curious.

azjimbo

Best time I have seen so far was 5.4(Car and Driver),Motor Trend had a 5.49.I do not believe Nissan has ever claimed what the Z can do to 60.Only that it would be under 6 seconds.They were right.

gouki

Hey where did you get the above data from? Are they reliable? If they are, then thanks! I would like to use them

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I dont post anything I dont believe to be true. so basicly as far as Im concerned they are reliable.

Im POSITIVE the wrx(both) and Z are reliable(came out of a magazine in my lap and can be found online as well); and the others I found from a quick search on google. the numbers seem realistic, and the sites appeared to be reputable.

gouki

Wow! You are fast

5-60 is an excellent benchmark to use, as you said, it eliminates the factors relating to taking off from a start (tires, RPMs etc).

Would like to see more of these 5-60 for other cars (Z32, GTR, BMWs etc etc).

flyz33

0-60 and 1/4 mile times can be skewed easily for cars. It all depends on driver, conditions, etc. Times can vary from magazine greatly. For example for a supra twin turbo i've seen times as low as 4.6 and high as 5.5 0-60 times (in magazines).

gouki

Also,

5-60 relies less on driver skills, and everything on the car.

0-60 needs a lot of help from the driver.

If you're sucky or inexperienced racing from a start, do it from a 5mph roll

As for the variation on the 0-60 times, calculate an average. This is perhaps the fairest way to determine the Z's overall time.

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Im trying to find more, just coming across them as I see them.

rsx-s FP 7.8 (6.8)
BMW 528 7.9 (7.1)
BMW 540 6.0 (5.4)
BMW M coupe 6.1 (5.3)
BMW M3 auto 7.0 (6.7) notice how as an automatic, it doesn lose much since the launch isnt the same for an auto

theres a few, I continue to search tho.

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98 firebird formula 5.7 (5.3)
focus SVT 8.0 (7.0)
manual M3(last gen) 5.5 (6.1)
maxima 6.6 (7.0) (older 3 liter I think?)

Ozzie

The thing about 5-60 times for a turbo car is, they apply only if the driver you are racing stuffs up. A guy driving a turbo will (should) never let the RPMs drop below the critical level, whether it be off a dead start or on a freeway. Yes 5-60 are a good indication of drivability, but not a good indication of who will win in a given situation.
Also, I think 5.3 for the supra is pretty high, most times are 4.9-5.0

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yeah, its hard to check the sources, but luckily 5-60 times dont vary very often.

as for turbos, yeah they take a hit from being out of their band. wrx is the only one suffering from this problem. but again, cruising is rarely done in high enough revs to keep a turbo spooled, so without dropping a gear they always have lag to some extent.

Ozzie

The Supra would feel it too but to a lesser extent due to its twin turbos

gouki

But I think the 5-60 race is a very fair one, since it eliminates driver error during take off.

Some cars with a lot of low down torque may make better 5-60 times than 0-60. Other cars may take off better/quicker but do not have the torque to accelerate as fast. Is this be a reasonable theory?

That's why I (and probably many others) believe that if your car wins in a 0-60 AND 5-60 race, then you clearly have the faster car. If its a 1-0/0-1 win/loss , then its a pretty even match.

Hope people can understand what I'm saying, because I don't