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Old Jan 15, 2003 | 01:39 PM
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I dont think that is exactly true. The sensors measure the angular velocity of the wheel. In an extreme case, if the front tires had half the circumference of the rear tires, and the senso assumed that the tires were the same size, it would think that the front tires were moving forward at twice the speed of the rears, because it is spinning at twice the speed.

It seems to me that the system should be smart enough to measure the difference in circumference of the tires by assuming that the tires are generally covering the same distance and comparing their relative angular velocities. in a system like this, I could see how there would be a maximum difference in the tire sizes.
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Old Jan 15, 2003 | 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by zPilott
I dont think that is exactly true. The sensors measure the angular velocity of the wheel. In an extreme case, if the front tires had half the circumference of the rear tires, and the senso assumed that the tires were the same size, it would think that the front tires were moving forward at twice the speed of the rears, because it is spinning at twice the speed.

It seems to me that the system should be smart enough to measure the difference in circumference of the tires by assuming that the tires are generally covering the same distance and comparing their relative angular velocities. in a system like this, I could see how there would be a maximum difference in the tire sizes.
Yes, but the tolerances in the system calibration shouldn't be so small, considering the possible increase in difference created by worn tire tread.
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Old Jan 15, 2003 | 01:58 PM
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Hahahahahaa....you're stupid! Well, you asked for it.

I'm actually running snow tires that are 225/45 the whole way around on my enthusiast. My TCS kicks in much more easily than it does with the 235/50's out back. Under normal driving...not really a problem...which is what I do about 95% of the time in the winter months. When it's dry out, I have the TCS off anyway...so not an issue with winter tires overall. I feel your pain man...hopefully you can unload those things.
Good luck.

ps 225 tires out back is not a lot of rubber for a car with 300hp.
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Old Jan 15, 2003 | 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by zPilott
I dont think that is exactly true. The sensors measure the angular velocity of the wheel. In an extreme case, if the front tires had half the circumference of the rear tires, and the senso assumed that the tires were the same size, it would think that the front tires were moving forward at twice the speed of the rears, because it is spinning at twice the speed.

It seems to me that the system should be smart enough to measure the difference in circumference of the tires by assuming that the tires are generally covering the same distance and comparing their relative angular velocities. in a system like this, I could see how there would be a maximum difference in the tire sizes.
Yes, but I would assume that the angular velocity is measured at the same spot whether the wheel is 17 or 20 or the tire diameter is 25 or 27, the only thing that changes is the speed at the outer diameter of the tire depending on the diameter, the larger the diameter the faster the speed at that point and the car will go faster but the point where the sensors measure the speed should still be the same.

Your TCS is kicking in probably because they are 225 and dont have the same traction as the 235 not because of diameter diffeences.
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Old Jan 15, 2003 | 07:35 PM
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Well, I just spent the last 20 minutes going through the service manual (not the owner's manual) and could not find any reference to this at all! Did anyone else find anything? My guess is that the TCS/VDC doesn't kick in until the angular velocity difference is probably about 10% vs the 1 or 2 percent people have been speculating on here.

Now, I also did a quick Yahoo search of "ABS+TIRE DIAMETER" and from what I read, if you were so far out of spec to cause a problem, you should actually get an ABS or TCS/VDC warning light. Otherwise I think this thing is getting all out of propotion.
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Old Jan 15, 2003 | 10:21 PM
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So did the replacement tires work? Or do we have to call you paranoid for going from the 255s to the 245s?

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