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Old 02-04-2006, 06:38 AM
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Hey all, lemme introduce myself. I'm a 2004 SRT-4 owner. I'm planning on getting a new car in may/june-ish and am deciding between a couple different cars.

But I am wondering how hard is it to mod the 350z? I'll be wanting about 400-450 HP at the wheels. Do any vendors offer any "stage" kits to help you mod the engine along the way? For example, for an EVO www.vishnutuning.com and www.amsperformance.com both offer stages to guide you to certain power levels.

Thanks for all your help. Maybe I'll see you all more often later on.
Old 02-04-2006, 07:11 AM
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modding teh Z is nothing like a turbo car. If you want that much power, look into turbo or s/c kits which can cost up to 12000 installed...and 17000 if done right w/ cams and a built engine. it gets epxensive :-D
Old 02-04-2006, 07:31 AM
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Dont know tons about FI but I do know you wont have to spend anywhere near 12-17k. For about 5800$ installed you can have right at 400 rwhp or close to with a turbonetics single turbo system. At most I would say 7k$. Good luck, check out the Forced induction section for more info. there is tons of it. BEN
Old 02-04-2006, 08:04 AM
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Depends how dependable/reliable you want your car to be. Once you go FI you should replace other things such as clutch/flywheel/lsd. All said and done I would guess (with those other parts) your looking at 10Kish for 400whp safely.
Old 02-04-2006, 08:09 AM
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Just go Turbo with the Z. It'll cost 6k-12k installed.

Everything else won't get you near the 400whp mark. Except for Nitrous.
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Originally Posted by bstansbu
Dont know tons about FI but I do know you wont have to spend anywhere near 12-17k. For about 5800$ installed you can have right at 400 rwhp or close to with a turbonetics single turbo system. At most I would say 7k$. Good luck, check out the Forced induction section for more info. there is tons of it. BEN
That T-netics turbo is maxed out at near 500rwhp. I personally don't want to drive a car that is maxed out all the time. The TT kits like Greddy are up to 800rwhp now. Running around on a turbo capable of 800rwhp at 500 or so rwhp seems like a better idea to me than 500rwhp capable turbo at 450rwhp. Expect closer to $10K for the setup w/install when you add the clutch/fw and some cooling mods. Also, those guys making over 400rwhp on the T-netics are running bigger injectors and a diff EMS so add that as well.I figure for about $2K diff you can just go ahead and get the TT kit. And to the original poster, this car is not the car to mod if you don't feel like spending upwards of $20K on your car unless you just want to keep it simple and below 300rwhp. Before anyone blows up, that $20K includes wheels, tires, suspensions, a TT kit w/supporting mods.

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Old 02-04-2006, 08:29 AM
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:-D my estimate includes EVERYTHING you'd ever need to safely run at 400-450 whp.
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Modding the Z is easy if you have the benjamins. You will have to go turbo/supercharger, as N/A people are having trouble breaking 300whp. I don't think you need to spend in excess of $8k to safely run boosted on the Z. With the proper tune and given the car isn't excessively beaten to death, the motor should last.

With a ST kit, upgraded clutch/flywheel, exhaust, wider rims/tires, install, and tune, your probably looking at around $8-9k. Given a good tune, you can probably hit around 400whp.

However, if you want to rebuild your engine first, your easily looking at $8k for that, if not more.
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Originally Posted by TK2005
That T-netics turbo is maxed out at near 500rwhp. I personally don't want to drive a car that is maxed out all the time.

jesus, more misinformation.

since when is running 9-10psi on a 60-1 making 400whp near maxed out all the time?

for chrissake. get the info right, will you? the 60-1 will make prolly 550whp. However the stage 2 TN kit swaps to a t66 for 550whp (requiring a built motor of course) but the stage 1.5 to come out soon will be 450whp friendly.
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Welcome. We have yet to regress to posting 350Z Stage #1, #2 and #3 nonsense. When we do, I will be the first leave this forum.

As far as 450 horsepower, sure, why not. How many horsepower can you afford?

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Originally Posted by Armitage
Modding the Z is easy if you have the benjamins. You will have to go turbo/supercharger, as N/A people are having trouble breaking 300whp. I don't think you need to spend in excess of $8k to safely run boosted on the Z. With the proper tune and given the car isn't excessively beaten to death, the motor should last.

With a ST kit, upgraded clutch/flywheel, exhaust, wider rims/tires, install, and tune, your probably looking at around $8-9k. Given a good tune, you can probably hit around 400whp.

However, if you want to rebuild your engine first, your easily looking at $8k for that, if not more.
ST kit = $5500
upgraded clutch/fw = $900
exhaust = $900
rims/tires = $3000
Install and tune = $2K
Total = $12,300 by your parts list......where do you get $8K from?
Old 02-04-2006, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by chimmike
jesus, more misinformation.

since when is running 9-10psi on a 60-1 making 400whp near maxed out all the time?

for chrissake. get the info right, will you? the 60-1 will make prolly 550whp. However the stage 2 TN kit swaps to a t66 for 550whp (requiring a built motor of course) but the stage 1.5 to come out soon will be 450whp friendly.
LOL......so you're freaking out because I was off by an alleged 50hp that no one has gotten to yet? No one is talking about the stage 2 kit that isn't even out yet for an unknown price. Take it easy junior. You like your kit? Good for you. Even in your quote you say "prolly 550whp" so it isn't like I have my facts wrong.
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Originally Posted by TK2005
ST kit = $5500
upgraded clutch/fw = $900
exhaust = $900
rims/tires = $3000
Install and tune = $2K
Total = $12,300 by your parts list......where do you get $8K from?
I was typing too fast for my brain. What I meant to say was the kit, with install and tune would be around $8k. Thats my bad.

Aren't there ST kits out there for around $4k though?
Old 02-04-2006, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Armitage
I was typing too fast for my brain. What I meant to say was the kit, with install and tune would be around $8k. Thats my bad.

Aren't there ST kits out there for around $4k though?
Nope. Cheapest single turbo is Turbonetics for between $5000-5500 and the APS ST is between $5500-5900. A couple months ago you could get the Tnetics for near $4500 but they raised the prices.
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Originally Posted by TK2005
LOL......so you're freaking out because I was off by an alleged 50hp that no one has gotten to yet? No one is talking about the stage 2 kit that isn't even out yet for an unknown price. Take it easy junior. You like your kit? Good for you. Even in your quote you say "prolly 550whp" so it isn't like I have my facts wrong.

yeah, you do have your facts wrong, because the turbonetics kit is run nowhere near the limits of the turbo. And even if it was, you're not at perpetual 20psi all the time, are you? I mean, you don't drive an EVO or STi do you? Oh wait, they run at the limits of their turbos all the time and don't have problems...................................sure makes you think.
Old 02-04-2006, 09:59 AM
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Has anyone yet to try the AGP kit?

http://www.agpturbo.com/product.php?...cat=293&page=1

I don't really have to worry about install costs, just dynotime and cost for parts.
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Originally Posted by chimmike
yeah, you do have your facts wrong, because the turbonetics kit is run nowhere near the limits of the turbo. And even if it was, you're not at perpetual 20psi all the time, are you? I mean, you don't drive an EVO or STi do you? Oh wait, they run at the limits of their turbos all the time and don't have problems...................................sure makes you think.
Are you new to tuning? You think the EVOs and STis don't have problems running max boost? People like you are the reason there is so much misinformation on this site. You know just enough to sound convincing to the uneducated when in reality you don't know any more than what other people on this site say. Check the flow capacity for your turbo and figure what you actually flow and see how much room is left. I am not going to lie and say I have done all the research and although the turbo may not melt itself flowing up to 20psi on the 350zs, it isn't exactly in its optimal working range either. That turbo may infact be able to flow 30psi on a 350z but that doesn't make it a good idea because that air will eventually be so hot the its efficiency went right out the window. All I am talking about is the turbo working in its optimal range, not the absolute peak hp that can be made with an infinite amount of money and research. If I am indeed wrong, which I don't believe I am, I won't freak out like you do every time someone is .000000000000000000000000001% wrong. The turbo itself may infact never max out but the kit is indeed maxed out at near 400rwhp. You'll need to upgrade a lot more before you can hit those numbers.

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Old 02-04-2006, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 1slowsrt
Has anyone yet to try the AGP kit?

http://www.agpturbo.com/product.php?...cat=293&page=1

I don't really have to worry about install costs, just dynotime and cost for parts.
Are you an idiot? That is a Turbonetics turbo kit for sale at a store called AGP turbo store. Have you even read any of the responses to your post yet? Did you actually read any info on that site?

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Old 02-04-2006, 10:57 AM
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Lets put it this way... I have an 05 SRT4 sitting in my driveway, do u wanna see a picture of its current state... i haven't driven it in a long time even though its about a second faster then my 350Z in the 1/4 (about 12.8 @106.XX) instead of maxing it out for another 13 grand, im going with a FI kit,Clutch FW and some rims instead. Hope that clears things up. (oh and i test drove an EVO and STi before getting my Z)
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If you're not willing to give up boost then get an STI or EVO. If you want to graduate from boy street racer status then get a Z. If you get hungry microwave a HotPocket.


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