TK2005

Suppose you have an 03 350Z track model with aftermarket leather, NAV, and all. You drove it to 7K miles on the ODO. Let's say you also had access to a complete changeover out of another 350Z (engine, trans, accessories, ECU, harness). This guy bought the complete changeover out of another Z and built the motor and put a turbo kit on it and installed it in his car and took all his original stuff out and put it in his garage. He also installed coilovers, a BBK, DSS axles, LSD, adjustable suspension pieces for camber, racing seats, and other misc goodies along with the ODO from the car he got the transplant. This was basically a dedicated track car for over a year. When he finally got bored of driving it, he swapped all of his old stuff on it and replaced the original ODO in time to get his inspection sticker which shows the car having 7K miles. Technically, every part of that car still has 7K miles on it except for the body and stuff that he couldn't really swap out like the spindles, rack, and driveshaft. Is it OK to sell this car as having 7K miles or would it bother some of you.

Riggz

if the engine wasnt raced id think its ok, BUT the right thing to do would be to be honest about what was done to the car and reduce your selling price accordingly. IMHO.

wldkatz03

iTrader: (20)

Well there are a couple factors to this that would determine how I felt about the transacation. First, if the seller states that the engine was removed, replaced, and then put back in to sell with 7k ORIGINAL miles then I'd be ok. Secondly, is the price reflective of the wear and tear of the body and the things that were not replaced? If he's selling the car for say 28k because it only has 7k miles then no, I would not be ok, he can factor the low mileage in but definately not that much...a few K at most!

People swap engines out all the time in cars, but it needs to be disclosed as such...just my two cents!

TK2005

How do you reduce the price on a car that has only 7K miles. It is practically new.

ZU L8R

iTrader: (84)

If it was all disclosed it would be OK. The stuff does have 7k miles on it. Just needs to be explained

Riggz

the entire car doesnt have 7k miles on it...only what u took off!

like i said and everyone else is saying...just be honest...everythings gotta be disclosed.

ecorona6

iTrader: (34)

The car is not new! Tracking or racing a car puts alot of strain on bushings, transmission, clucth, body panels (bolts/screws), sealents, radiator, and dashboard stucture. Parts seem to lose their rigid structure after racing abuse. It may not be the case now, but it wears down faster than a car that wasnt raced.

If you went so far as to post this thread you need to clear your conscious and disclose the info.

TK2005

I am not selling it. It is a local guy that asked me to put it on my lot to sell on consignment. I don't have any cars under $40K (996 Porsches) at all so it would be out of place on the lot.

ecorona6

iTrader: (34)

What are you talking about....our Z's fit right in with a 996! I think a Z will get some nice attention on your lot! Good luck...

kpiskin

iTrader: (5)

I would always be honest, it can come back to haunt you and cost you more later than you made on the sale.

knight_white99

iTrader: (5)

Honesty is the best policy. Better disclose what was done. It wouldn't stop me from buying the car if I knew what was done.

DavesZ#3

iTrader: (26)

If you have to ask if it's ethical, then it probably isn't.

DeeZ

+1


you still wont get normal price for that car.... even tho it has 7k( from the parts put back on) miles because of what was done to the car.

so you will lose some value vs a normal not messed with 7k mile car.. IMO

cessna

I agree with Dave on this one.

HDPDZO6

Being that selling the vehicle in that condition without disclosure is illegal...

I believe you already knew the answer to your question before you generated this thread. Makes me wonder...

TK2005

Being a private party sale between two individuals and no dealers, disclosure is soley at the discretion of the selling party. Only accidents need be disclosed but only at the request of the buying party. No voluntary information is necessary in a private party sale. Food for thought when you guys try to save a couple bucks buying off the street rather than off a lot from a dealer. Actually besides what I have said, there is actually no way to tell the car doesn't indeed have 7K miles on it as all legal documents confirm this.

HDPDZO6

BTW, it is illegal to sell that vehicle without disclosure. There is an innaccurate odometer reading.

The odometer must reflect the actual miles on the vehicle (NOT just the engine). By swapping out to the original odometer, without notifying the DMV or potential buyer, the seller is committing a crime (felony in most jurisdictions).

davidv

iTrader: (2)

No. Yes.

The mileage indicated when the car is sold should be worse case. In this situation, worst case is how many miles are on the frame. Of course the seller would indicate to the buyer that the car has a almost new engine and other particulars.

TK2005

Speeding is also illegal. If no one sees you doing it or there is no record of you doing it, are you obligated to turn yourself into the police?

HighwaySpeed

It's all good...

You're in the Bush administration and it's probably covered by the Patriot Act.