Enthusiast model worth it? over the base model
Originally Posted by streetracer
Serg, I bought my setup of brakes and rims in a junkyard. Paid $1600 for everything. Needing an LSD, though.
I doubt you found a set of Forged 19X10 inch wheels in the junkyard though --- some cast cheapies for sure but quality forged wheels go for at least 500 a piece used and 750-850 new
The point being you can get all of that included in a monthly payment and have everything NEW and guaranteed to work properly with a warranty
Are the stock brembos the best --- no, is the LSD the best --- no
But I dont have to pay $80-100 an hour for a diff install or brake install
I did enough scouring when I owned my modded Civic hatch --- I wanted a well equipped Z from the factory ---- I could easily sell my front brakes and use the money towards an upgrade ---- but who wants base model brakes? Same thing with the diff and the wheels (although the one piece volks would be tough to beat)
I think the enthusiast makes the most sense because the features you get for the money are well worth it
Being in the car business for some time I can tell you base models always have the worst resale value ratios compared to the mid-high grade models
Originally Posted by SergEK
Being in the car business for some time I can tell you base models always have the worst resale value ratios compared to the mid-high grade models
Originally Posted by dkorr
Why you say that?
There are two to choose from
One has power windows, door locks, cruise etc...
The other one doesnt
MOST people prefer the options, this in turn creates more demand for that car which increases its value over the non power car
Multiply that choice by thousands of people and you see why demand is higher for the mid grade model even though there are fewer base models to go around --- all things being constant there should be a higher demand for the car with lower production numbers but its the opposite with base models
Now if your keeping the car 10-15 years it shouldnt matter too much but after 20-30 years when things become classics youll see it the most obvious because thats when the high grade low volume models become more sought after and demand is steady or increasing for them and their are fewer and fewer available
You could have bought a base model Skyline in the late 50's but the top model full option car would be worth an exponentially greater number than a base model for this very reason and another reason I bought the track model
Originally Posted by SergEK
There are always cheaper alternatives but considering you have to go to a junk yeard pay cash/credit card for the parts (hope they work correctly) and have them installed (the majority of Z owners)
I doubt you found a set of Forged 19X10 inch wheels in the junkyard though --- some cast cheapies for sure but quality forged wheels go for at least 500 a piece used and 750-850 new
The point being you can get all of that included in a monthly payment and have everything NEW and guaranteed to work properly with a warranty
Are the stock brembos the best --- no, is the LSD the best --- no
But I dont have to pay $80-100 an hour for a diff install or brake install
I think the enthusiast makes the most sense because the features you get for the money are well worth it
Being in the car business for some time I can tell you base models always have the worst resale value ratios compared to the mid-high grade models
I doubt you found a set of Forged 19X10 inch wheels in the junkyard though --- some cast cheapies for sure but quality forged wheels go for at least 500 a piece used and 750-850 new
The point being you can get all of that included in a monthly payment and have everything NEW and guaranteed to work properly with a warranty
Are the stock brembos the best --- no, is the LSD the best --- no
But I dont have to pay $80-100 an hour for a diff install or brake install
I think the enthusiast makes the most sense because the features you get for the money are well worth it
Being in the car business for some time I can tell you base models always have the worst resale value ratios compared to the mid-high grade models
To give you an idea on some examples:
1- C6 Z06 = $118k
2- 06 Viper = $125k
3- My 350z base model 2003 = $38k with spoiler, drilled pedals, skid plates and floor mats. Obviously I bought it new.
So you see, cars here are expensive. However, in terms of insurance, I paid $1200 for full cover my first year and now since the car has depreciated I'm paying $858 annualy.
Here are some pics of my car. The rims, Brembos, rotors and everything is from an original track. I know its not a geniuine track model, I'm just looking for a light setup and to me there is nothing like the engineering of factory parts. And rims and brakes are the best aspects of the track model. And ZI know they are expensive. The geniuine Rays in Nissan here charge $2000 for EACH rim.
Last edited by streetracer; Aug 28, 2006 at 03:03 PM.
Originally Posted by SergEK
You could have bought a base model Skyline in the late 50's but the top model full option car would be worth an exponentially greater number than a base model for this very reason and another reason I bought the track model
Originally Posted by streetracer
Or buy a base because it is the lightest
Yes, the Enthusiast model is a fat pig

Man Trans - 350Z: 3,339 Enth: 3,346
Auto Trans - N/A Enth: 3,444
Last edited by HighwaySpeed; Aug 28, 2006 at 05:48 PM.
The only thing on my mind when buying a new Z.... was how much I was going to get when selling it... 
Seriously?
Half the people who have Z's don't even know which flavor they have(yes this site is an exception since everyone here is at least somewhat of an enthusiast). I bet you could get more out of a base model than it's worth simply because the sheer number of stupid consumers out there who wouldn't know the difference.
Check KBB value and compare the price differences between models of new and used. According to kelley blue book base models hold their value better.
No offense, but resale value has to be the worst reason ever to buy a particular model.

Seriously?
Half the people who have Z's don't even know which flavor they have(yes this site is an exception since everyone here is at least somewhat of an enthusiast). I bet you could get more out of a base model than it's worth simply because the sheer number of stupid consumers out there who wouldn't know the difference.
Check KBB value and compare the price differences between models of new and used. According to kelley blue book base models hold their value better.
No offense, but resale value has to be the worst reason ever to buy a particular model.
Originally Posted by roast
The only thing on my mind when buying a new Z.... was how much I was going to get when selling it... 
Seriously?
Half the people who have Z's don't even know which flavor they have(yes this site is an exception since everyone here is at least somewhat of an enthusiast). I bet you could get more out of a base model than it's worth simply because the sheer number of stupid consumers out there who wouldn't know the difference.
Check KBB value and compare the price differences between models of new and used. According to kelley blue book base models hold their value better.
No offense, but resale value has to be the worst reason ever to buy a particular model.

Seriously?
Half the people who have Z's don't even know which flavor they have(yes this site is an exception since everyone here is at least somewhat of an enthusiast). I bet you could get more out of a base model than it's worth simply because the sheer number of stupid consumers out there who wouldn't know the difference.
Check KBB value and compare the price differences between models of new and used. According to kelley blue book base models hold their value better.
No offense, but resale value has to be the worst reason ever to buy a particular model.
Reminds me of all the users who come in here asking what model they have when the dealer told them it was one thing, they thought it was another, but it turns out to be something totally different. Honestly, I think most people when buying this car either look for leather/Bose or no leather/Bose. They are not really going to know the difference between a base, enthusiast, and track model. And if the dealer is not a Nissan dealership, I highly doubt they will either.
Originally Posted by roast
I bet you could get more out of a base model than it's worth simply because the sheer number of stupid consumers out there who wouldn't know the difference.
Check KBB value and compare the price differences between models of new and used. According to kelley blue book base models hold their value better.
Check KBB value and compare the price differences between models of new and used. According to kelley blue book base models hold their value better.
Originally Posted by SergEK
Say your going to buy a car
There are two to choose from
One has power windows, door locks, cruise etc...
The other one doesnt
There are two to choose from
One has power windows, door locks, cruise etc...
The other one doesnt
-Chicken (is tired of cranking his windows up and down)
Originally Posted by steven88
base doesn't have power windows and door locks?
i paid $25,500 plus tax.
do 350z have engine immobilizer as well? i'm curious to know how "well protected" i am from the factory? or is it better to invest in viper alarm systems?
older cars obviously didn't have immobilizers, thats why you see alot of them running aftermarket units....how are the factory immobilizers holding up so far?
older cars obviously didn't have immobilizers, thats why you see alot of them running aftermarket units....how are the factory immobilizers holding up so far?
Originally Posted by steven88
do 350z have engine immobilizer as well? i'm curious to know how "well protected" i am from the factory? or is it better to invest in viper alarm systems?
older cars obviously didn't have immobilizers, thats why you see alot of them running aftermarket units....how are the factory immobilizers holding up so far?
older cars obviously didn't have immobilizers, thats why you see alot of them running aftermarket units....how are the factory immobilizers holding up so far?
yup... the only main difference between base and enthus is TCS/LSD and some mirror dimming, cruise, and some other ****...
Originally Posted by steven88
do 350z have engine immobilizer as well? i'm curious to know how "well protected" i am from the factory? or is it better to invest in viper alarm systems?
older cars obviously didn't have immobilizers, thats why you see alot of them running aftermarket units....how are the factory immobilizers holding up so far?
older cars obviously didn't have immobilizers, thats why you see alot of them running aftermarket units....how are the factory immobilizers holding up so far?
Chris
Originally Posted by HyperSprite
They all have an immobilizer, but as for protection from break in and article theft, well lets just say you don't want to leave that Barry Manalow CD sitting on the passenger seat.
Chris
Chris



