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Old Sep 29, 2006 | 05:30 PM
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Thumbs up It is nice to be appreciated once in a while. PM in regards to REPLICA thread

I received this message today and it really made my day. I've also noticed that fellow my350z.com members actually read the Replica thread in my signature and came out enlightened and more knowledgeable which is awesome. The link to that thread will more than likely stay in my signature for a long time to hopefully educate as many people as possibly on the subject.

On to the PM that made my day:

Yoyoyo Rickdogg!

I just read through the thread in your signature about the aftermarket debate and all I have to say is wow!

Haha, it's awesome to find some more people who feel the same way I do. I remember doing the same kind of postings on a Nismo thread. It was about the idiot selling Nismo products on eBay for rediculous prices that were below Nissan USA wholesale and claiming they were legit... Haha I think you replied to it too actually

Anyways, I am starting up a new blog about the automotive industry and it's finer aspects. I wanted to know if you were down to work on some articles for the blog and represent us. So far I am working with the guys from Vertex and maybe ****from Cipher Garage.

The blog is going to be setup at "www.e******.com" short for "*********** and will talk about a variety of automotive subjects including VIP cars, euro style cars, conterfeit products, the industry in general, and some finance topics.

Let me know if you are in and if you want to help contribute to the automotive industry.

Holler!

P.S. Do you have AIM?

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Old Sep 29, 2006 | 05:39 PM
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Old Sep 29, 2006 | 05:41 PM
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Who sent you that? What a savage, I hope he goes through with it because we surely do need some way to school people
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Old Sep 29, 2006 | 06:22 PM
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The nismo exhausts on ebay werent replicas but were 50% cheaper than retail. Who wouldnt jump on that kind of deal!...
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Old Sep 29, 2006 | 11:12 PM
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The nismo exhausts on ebay werent replicas but were 50% cheaper than retail. Who wouldnt jump on that kind of deal!...
LOL. I don't think that was the main point of this thread but okay
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Old Sep 29, 2006 | 11:24 PM
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LOL. I don't think that was the main point of this thread but okay
ye i know, i was just saying lol!
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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 09:22 AM
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Anytime I say something about replicas in the numerous replica group-buy threads, invariably a mod come in a tells me to go away. Glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks replicas = sh*t.
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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by i8acobra
Anytime I say something about replicas in the numerous replica group-buy threads, invariably a mod come in a tells me to go away. Glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks replicas = sh*t.
Feel free to check out a thread that has been going great and more prominent information was cited to help you not only on replicas in the body kit world, but it also helps you make a good choice when buying wheels . Both sides of the argument are being respectful to one another rather than someone immediately trying to make implications on their first post about it.

Awesome thread
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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 10:49 AM
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Where's Bubble?
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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 11:13 AM
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Ageed --But I think that our manufacturers need to do their part too. There is a frenzy on Asian aftermarket weather it be BBKs or Turbos or whatever. Just a little less greed feeding off that frenzy would help elimate a lot of replicas.
I mean, Come on Guys-----4000.00 + for BBKs ?? 5-6-7,000.00 for FI ?? 500.00 for a hi capacity oil pan ?? I know foundry costs, I know machine work costs, And -Yes I know R@D Costs.

Its the responsibility of the buyers and the sellers to eliminate the pirates
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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by E***zzzzy
Ageed --But I think that our manufacturers need to do their part too. There is a frenzy on Asian aftermarket weather it be BBKs or Turbos or whatever. Just a little less greed feeding off that frenzy would help elimate a lot of replicas.
I mean, Come on Guys-----4000.00 + for BBKs ?? 5-6-7,000.00 for FI ?? 500.00 for a hi capacity oil pan ?? I know foundry costs, I know machine work costs, And -Yes I know R@D Costs.

Its the responsibility of the buyers and the sellers to eliminate the pirates
China will win thie consumer market war at the end.
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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by E***zzzzy
Ageed --But I think that our manufacturers need to do their part too. There is a frenzy on Asian aftermarket weather it be BBKs or Turbos or whatever. Just a little less greed feeding off that frenzy would help elimate a lot of replicas.
I mean, Come on Guys-----4000.00 + for BBKs ?? 5-6-7,000.00 for FI ?? 500.00 for a hi capacity oil pan ?? I know foundry costs, I know machine work costs, And -Yes I know R@D Costs.

Its the responsibility of the buyers and the sellers to eliminate the pirates
I definitely feel you in that aspect. Our vehicle application unfortunately is one of the more costly to modify when it comes to the mechanical parts. However, in regards to BBK's and turbos there are a few options to choose from and honestly there are not too many knockoffs of those particular parts. I think the replica market is more prominent in the body kit arena Nonetheless great post
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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 11:24 AM
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Hate to get into politics but its our own gov. That has helped create that sleeping Giant-----Same thing---Greed
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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 11:30 AM
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BTW Rickdogg---GREAT sponsers ---All top notch !!!!
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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by E***zzzzy
Hate to get into politics but its our own gov. That has helped create that sleeping Giant-----Same thing---Greed
Not neccessarily greed. More of consumer wanting more. If you prefer things to be exclusive then Henry Ford or Volkswagen would not have automobiles for the mass public. You would have to be upper middle class to own a car. Also you wouldn't own a computer, designer clothes and many other commodities.
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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 11:34 AM
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BTW the Z is a knock off of an MG, Jaguar, and Porsche.
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Old Oct 4, 2006 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by E***zzzzy
Ageed --But I think that our manufacturers need to do their part too. There is a frenzy on Asian aftermarket weather it be BBKs or Turbos or whatever. Just a little less greed feeding off that frenzy would help elimate a lot of replicas.
I mean, Come on Guys-----4000.00 + for BBKs ?? 5-6-7,000.00 for FI ?? 500.00 for a hi capacity oil pan ?? I know foundry costs, I know machine work costs, And -Yes I know R@D Costs.

Its the responsibility of the buyers and the sellers to eliminate the pirates
$500 for an oil pan is perfectly reasonable. You say you know what R&D, machine work and foundry costs are... but what about rent for the space, insurance, employee wages, taxes, marketing, and all the other costs of doing business as well as a reasonable profit? A company that takes a huge risk by investing in R&D for a new product that may or may not sell well needs to be supported by consumers who want them to continue taking those risks. Replica companies have much lower costs because they don't assume any risk. They make copies of products that have already been R&D'ed. They then make those products in third world countries with very little expense for labor or other business expenses. Usually they farm the production out to a local company to save on overhead. Many times, these replica companies are "virtual" companies with no rent, employees, insurance, etc... If we continue to buy from replica companies, pretty soon there'll be nobody left to copy. If I can't make a reasonable profit, I'm not going to stay in this business.
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Old Oct 4, 2006 | 08:54 PM
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i find it pretty retarded that people who pay $3k for rims won't pay just over half of that for authentic quality bodykits. I know I'll never buy replica.

edit: read the first page of that thread from motoring...about the generic drug thing...that's perfectly legal since it's public domain. The difference with replicas is that these things aren't suppose to be public domain.

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Old Oct 4, 2006 | 09:35 PM
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Many times, these replica companies are "virtual" companies with no rent, employees, insurance, etc... If we continue to buy from replica companies, pretty soon there'll be nobody left to copy. If I can't make a reasonable profit, I'm not going to stay in this business.


I can see ur point, But Im still awed by the prices on some of the Asian Parts--I can, as a rule look at a part, and quess the price within less than 10%. But somethings in the Asian Marketplace---Im off by 50.---Thats what, I guess throws my Red Flags up.
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Old Oct 5, 2006 | 08:50 AM
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I understand all this brand loyalty, but replicas exist everywhere and not just in the automotive industry. A lot of people buy fake armani, gucci, etc.

You will always have authentic and fake products in the world. Brand loyalty is what companies look for these days because of all the replicas that are being produced.

A great example are the AC Schnitzer rear lip wings for the M3. They sell those for $900+ whereas the replica is $35 bucks on ebay. Honestly, that part is not worth $900, but some people think it is worth it, I personally don't.

In some cases, the authentic piece is actually a better product because of the materials and labor hours used which brings me to my last point. The price of an item isn't always about markup. Usually overpriced items are made of great quality and expensive materials, which compensate for the high asking price.

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