Bogus traffic ticket...
11-13-2006, 05:28 AM
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Request the on board vidio be presented in court, by law a traffic stop must be video taped, if the officer is taped talking to you like that, I'm reasonably sure your tickets will be dismissed. The video tape is your friend.
11-13-2006, 06:34 AM
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davidf - very good idea. i never even thought about getting the tape in a situation like this.
OP - after you work this out (and hopefully get your tickets dismissed), then both you and your friend should file a complaint on this a$$. I have no problems with cops doing their rightful duties, but things like this irritate the hell out of me.
Example 1: I was pulled over before for driving by a bus with no flashers on, sitting on the shoulder of the road, as if it were on roadway with stop sign out. Cop cited me for driving past the bus $500, 5 pts. and then when we went to court, he plea'd it down to $100, 1 pt. fine (I couldn't take the chance of losing if I argued it really) before I argued my case. This cop was also rude at the traffic stop. This is the kind of cop you hate.
Example 2: The other night I was driving at 1AM with no license plate lights (both burned out simultaneously). Instead of the cop pulling me over, he followed me literally 5 miles before I stopped somewhere (gas station) and then politely told me about it without a traffic stop/written warning like some others would have. Why can't we have more cops like this?
OP - after you work this out (and hopefully get your tickets dismissed), then both you and your friend should file a complaint on this a$$. I have no problems with cops doing their rightful duties, but things like this irritate the hell out of me.
Example 1: I was pulled over before for driving by a bus with no flashers on, sitting on the shoulder of the road, as if it were on roadway with stop sign out. Cop cited me for driving past the bus $500, 5 pts. and then when we went to court, he plea'd it down to $100, 1 pt. fine (I couldn't take the chance of losing if I argued it really) before I argued my case. This cop was also rude at the traffic stop. This is the kind of cop you hate.
Example 2: The other night I was driving at 1AM with no license plate lights (both burned out simultaneously). Instead of the cop pulling me over, he followed me literally 5 miles before I stopped somewhere (gas station) and then politely told me about it without a traffic stop/written warning like some others would have. Why can't we have more cops like this?
11-13-2006, 06:42 AM
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Looks like you got your first lesson in how to be a subject in America. You are not a citizen, you have no rights, and you must respect the authority of the state. Think **** Germany in the late 1930's ... show me your papers please. We're so dang close to becoming a socialist state run nation it's no longer in doubt. Wait for the next terrorist attack - its coming across a southern border near you - and see what the state does to our freedoms following that. 
11-13-2006, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul350Z
Looks like you got your first lesson in how to be a subject in America. You are not a citizen, you have no rights, and you must respect the authority of the state. Think **** Germany in the late 1930's ... show me your papers please. We're so dang close to becoming a socialist state run nation it's no longer in doubt. Wait for the next terrorist attack - its coming across a southern border near you - and see what the state does to our freedoms following that.
its getting to the point where i am seriouslly considering moving out of the country. This country has lost all of its appeal.
11-13-2006, 07:26 AM
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I'm going to try my best today. If I go down, at least I go down trying. Some cops just think once they get that badge, they should bring everyone down...innocent or not. Those cops need to get a life and go after the real criminals. I really hate that innocent people have to pay up even though its not their fault. I will try to use that idea about onboard video. Thats genious. I've also thought about moving out of country because of stupid sh*t the government can pull on you. Sure you have a right to trial, but what exactly does that mean. It could mean you dont have to pay up or you get screwed in the a$$ really hard. I guess I'll find out today. Thanks for all the help guys.
11-13-2006, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Xx SiFaKa
I had something similar happen to me like this. A mustang was riding my @ss and a cop was hiding in a shopping center and I was at a red arrow making a right. When the arrow turned green I took off slowly to see if the @ss whole was still going to tail gate me and when I seen he was I just floored it to the top of 1st gear then just slowly started to gain speed in 2nd. Then I see that the mustang has slowed down a LOT, right as I see that I see the cop fly past the mustang and ride my @ss for 20 seconds then I get pulled over.
He tells me I was doing 51 in a 45? I was actually going 48 but he needed a reason too pull me over so he just lied. I had a friend with me and had him look at the digital gauge before he pulled me over because it was so obvious I was about to get pulled over.
So he comes up on the side window and says, "What's the hurry?" Me- "Hurry?" me- "I was going 48, in a 45?" Then proceeds to tell me that I'm I’m lying. After I get the ticket yada yada yada.... I see him in court a month later and he said, "Julian sisneros came to a light then raced a mustang and spun his tires violently on public roads. I caught up to him then followed for approximately 1/4 mile." It was complete and utter bullsh!t so once the judge heard that it seemed he didn't care what I said. So he tells me that the cop could have took my license so I should be happy for just paying the $139 ticket. I told him that later on after I was free to go the mustang driver slowed down and let me catch up then said, "Sorry about that man!" He new he had instigated the situation so he felt like an idiot. I told the judge then he looked at me weird and said, "Was he your friend" Me "No?" judge "Why would he tell you that then?" me "Because I guess he felt bad for driving the way he was to try and get me to race?" Then the judge looked at me like I was lying. So he made me pay the ticket.
Yeah I just never got to rant on this so rant finished.
Oh yeah back to your case. If an officer talked like that to me and I new I was innocent I would have gave him a bad attitude back, Even if he was frustrated from the other kids. That's no reason to abuse your authority, and cause problems for an innocent person and try and have them pay tickets because their pissed off.
He tells me I was doing 51 in a 45? I was actually going 48 but he needed a reason too pull me over so he just lied. I had a friend with me and had him look at the digital gauge before he pulled me over because it was so obvious I was about to get pulled over.
So he comes up on the side window and says, "What's the hurry?" Me- "Hurry?" me- "I was going 48, in a 45?" Then proceeds to tell me that I'm I’m lying. After I get the ticket yada yada yada.... I see him in court a month later and he said, "Julian sisneros came to a light then raced a mustang and spun his tires violently on public roads. I caught up to him then followed for approximately 1/4 mile." It was complete and utter bullsh!t so once the judge heard that it seemed he didn't care what I said. So he tells me that the cop could have took my license so I should be happy for just paying the $139 ticket. I told him that later on after I was free to go the mustang driver slowed down and let me catch up then said, "Sorry about that man!" He new he had instigated the situation so he felt like an idiot. I told the judge then he looked at me weird and said, "Was he your friend" Me "No?" judge "Why would he tell you that then?" me "Because I guess he felt bad for driving the way he was to try and get me to race?" Then the judge looked at me like I was lying. So he made me pay the ticket.
Yeah I just never got to rant on this so rant finished.
Oh yeah back to your case. If an officer talked like that to me and I new I was innocent I would have gave him a bad attitude back, Even if he was frustrated from the other kids. That's no reason to abuse your authority, and cause problems for an innocent person and try and have them pay tickets because their pissed off.
11-13-2006, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by neh0209
Wow..that's totally lame. It's never fun to run into a cop who's had a bad night. I was following a friend of mine in a RX-8 one night and a cop pulled him for absolutely no reason..saying he completely crossed a lane of traffic and almost hit his car (which was completely turned off with a random woman with him in the car). He was completely rude to my friend when questioning him and writing the ticket..my friend didn't give him any lip what so ever. We filed so many complaints against his *** it wasn't funny. The ticket got dropped after all that.
I hope everything turns out ok for you without a lawyer and all. Hopefully the cop will be in a better mood, and just make sure to be straight-forward with your story. Best of luck.
I hope everything turns out ok for you without a lawyer and all. Hopefully the cop will be in a better mood, and just make sure to be straight-forward with your story. Best of luck.
11-13-2006, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by savvy
you should have spoken to him exactly like he was to you, that's complete crap. The fact that the first thing the cop said was "get the *** out of here" is completely out of line, and even after that he still kept swearing at you. I hate ****** like that
11-13-2006, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by davidf
Request the on board vidio be presented in court, by law a traffic stop must be video taped, if the officer is taped talking to you like that, I'm reasonably sure your tickets will be dismissed. The video tape is your friend.
Please do not give peeps bad advice, it ends up making them look silly in court.
11-13-2006, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by dragon11689
I guess filing complaints is the way to go...lol.
11-13-2006, 11:57 AM
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If you have a clean record, then you should prepare to fight it in court. If you have a bad record, especially with speeding tickets, then your chances dropped from 40% to 25%.
11-13-2006, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by davidf
Request the on board vidio be presented in court, by law a traffic stop must be video taped, if the officer is taped talking to you like that, I'm reasonably sure your tickets will be dismissed. The video tape is your friend.
Originally Posted by HDPD350Z
DavidF, again, you must consider jurisdiction. 99 percent of jurisdictions out there have no such law on the books. Now a department may have a policy regarding recording the stop, but a policy is not a law (not even close).
Please do not give peeps bad advice, it ends up making them look silly in court.
Please do not give peeps bad advice, it ends up making them look silly in court.
this will just make you look ignorant and desperate.
11-13-2006, 12:23 PM
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Maybe requesting the video outright is a little 'stretch', but it may not be a bad idea to suggest the officer wasn't in a good mood and treated you rudely. Then "suggest" that the on-board camera may show this? Maybe the judge will then decide to request it?
I don't know much about how court works as both times I've been there I plea'd down, but I don't see how this could hurt if its available and is indeed true (i mean a cop calling someone "a little ******" because he was going to eat somewhere is a little over the top, isn't it).
I don't know much about how court works as both times I've been there I plea'd down, but I don't see how this could hurt if its available and is indeed true (i mean a cop calling someone "a little ******" because he was going to eat somewhere is a little over the top, isn't it).
11-13-2006, 12:33 PM
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why pay a bunch of money for a lawyer when the ticket is probably just a couple hundred $??
I'd go to court, state what happened to the judge. Judges are usually not idiots and they know damn well how many cases they throw out each day cause cops were in the wrong when they pulled you over or abusing their authority based on false probable cause
judges used to be lawyers, they've seen your kind of cases before and know what's actually going on. It could be that cop has a bad record
I know someone who's an ex cop who would tell me stories of him getting pulled over for BS reasons by rookie cops who he'd show him his badge and state what the cop is doing wrong and say he's see them in court and warn them he's going to make them look bad. So he'd show up in full uniform and humiliate the rookie cop with his lack of experience and knowledge of the law, and get out of the ticket. We only could wish for that luxury
I'd go to court, state what happened to the judge. Judges are usually not idiots and they know damn well how many cases they throw out each day cause cops were in the wrong when they pulled you over or abusing their authority based on false probable cause
judges used to be lawyers, they've seen your kind of cases before and know what's actually going on. It could be that cop has a bad record
I know someone who's an ex cop who would tell me stories of him getting pulled over for BS reasons by rookie cops who he'd show him his badge and state what the cop is doing wrong and say he's see them in court and warn them he's going to make them look bad. So he'd show up in full uniform and humiliate the rookie cop with his lack of experience and knowledge of the law, and get out of the ticket. We only could wish for that luxury
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11-13-2006, 12:35 PM
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Cops are often friends with many judges and lawyers. if you go in there with an attitude of tearing this cop apart, you're very likely just asking for a conviction. if you don't have proof of how he acted, you're better off leaving it alone. pretty much any time it comes down to an officer's word against the defendant's, the defendant loses. i'm sure there have been exceptions, but i haven't seen it.
11-13-2006, 12:42 PM
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now wait a minute, cops don't have jurisdiction over parking lots. It's considered private property. Get the owner of the property involved. Does he press charges for someone going to eat at a place on his property because you drive a sporty car and drove across some parking lines?
We all know that no owner wants street racers goofing off on his property cause he might somehow end up be liable or have to repair any damage caused there, but nothing out of the ordinary was going on there when you were parking to eat.
The cop may have probable cause to pull you over and make sure you're not drunk or to give you a warning, but a ticket for it is a little extreme even though he MAY be within the confines of the law to do so.
We all know that no owner wants street racers goofing off on his property cause he might somehow end up be liable or have to repair any damage caused there, but nothing out of the ordinary was going on there when you were parking to eat.
The cop may have probable cause to pull you over and make sure you're not drunk or to give you a warning, but a ticket for it is a little extreme even though he MAY be within the confines of the law to do so.
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