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Ten Good Reasons
i am a teen and my dad is gonna buy the z for me. Today we had a long talk about which car i should get and what not. So this is what it has come down to, i need more pros than cons about the z and i am in the club HA!. His major point is that i have 3 other siblings and where are they gonna sit. I said take turns or take the family car. anywho post some pros and cons.
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The sight of a teen driver careening through a residential neighborhood at top speed or coasting down a major highway with six friends leaning out the windows is, to most, hardly a surprise. Teens are frequently associated with reckless or unsafe driving.
According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), traffic accidents are the leading cause of death for young people between the ages of 16 and 22. In fact, auto accidents account for about one-third of all fatalities in this age group.
Although 16 to 20-year-olds make up only six percent of the total driving population, they comprised 22 percent of those who died in speed-related crashes in 1997. Fatalities aside, the NHTSA states that a sixteen-year old driver is twenty times as likely to have a traffic accident as the rest of the driving population.
Teen drivers are involved in more single-vehicle crashes than other drivers. For instance, they are more apt to crash into trees, barriers, or poles.
Teen drivers have 3 years or less driving experience their lack of experience is one cause of the increased risk of accidents.
In addition, attitude contributes to the overall safety of teen driving. An adolescent sense of invincibility contributes to a higher incidence of car accidents. Indeed, many teenagers seem to believe that they are immortal and can therefore face anything. Unfortunately, this sense of invincibility often leads teens to drive while under the influence of alcohol or other drugs. In fact, the Department of Transportation claims that in 1998, one-fifth of adolescent drivers had consumed at least one alcoholic beverage before getting into a fatal accident.
Nearly as dangerous is the refusal of many teens to wear seatbelts. According to the NHTSA, about 54 percent of young people that die in automotive crashes were not wearing seat belts. Also, many teens speed excessively without thinking of the consequences they might face.
A study has shown that the more passengers that pile into the car with a teenaged driver, the greater the risk of an accident that will kill the driver. The study Peterson spoke of was conducted by Li- Hui Chen, who headed a research team at Johns Hopkins School of Public Health.
The results indicated that the relative risk of driver death, when compared with drivers of the same age whose cars were carrying no passengers, was 39 percent higher for drivers with one passenger, 86 percent higher with two passengers, and 282 percent higher with three or more passengers.
The risk of death increases with drivers transporting passengers regardless of the time of day or gender of the driver. However, research shows that the risk to male drivers is greater.
All of these risks are increased when a teen gets behind the wheel of a high powered Sports Car. And I personally believe it's irresponsible for parents to buy a sports car for their teenager.
According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), traffic accidents are the leading cause of death for young people between the ages of 16 and 22. In fact, auto accidents account for about one-third of all fatalities in this age group.
Although 16 to 20-year-olds make up only six percent of the total driving population, they comprised 22 percent of those who died in speed-related crashes in 1997. Fatalities aside, the NHTSA states that a sixteen-year old driver is twenty times as likely to have a traffic accident as the rest of the driving population.
Teen drivers are involved in more single-vehicle crashes than other drivers. For instance, they are more apt to crash into trees, barriers, or poles.
Teen drivers have 3 years or less driving experience their lack of experience is one cause of the increased risk of accidents.
In addition, attitude contributes to the overall safety of teen driving. An adolescent sense of invincibility contributes to a higher incidence of car accidents. Indeed, many teenagers seem to believe that they are immortal and can therefore face anything. Unfortunately, this sense of invincibility often leads teens to drive while under the influence of alcohol or other drugs. In fact, the Department of Transportation claims that in 1998, one-fifth of adolescent drivers had consumed at least one alcoholic beverage before getting into a fatal accident.
Nearly as dangerous is the refusal of many teens to wear seatbelts. According to the NHTSA, about 54 percent of young people that die in automotive crashes were not wearing seat belts. Also, many teens speed excessively without thinking of the consequences they might face.
A study has shown that the more passengers that pile into the car with a teenaged driver, the greater the risk of an accident that will kill the driver. The study Peterson spoke of was conducted by Li- Hui Chen, who headed a research team at Johns Hopkins School of Public Health.
The results indicated that the relative risk of driver death, when compared with drivers of the same age whose cars were carrying no passengers, was 39 percent higher for drivers with one passenger, 86 percent higher with two passengers, and 282 percent higher with three or more passengers.
The risk of death increases with drivers transporting passengers regardless of the time of day or gender of the driver. However, research shows that the risk to male drivers is greater.
All of these risks are increased when a teen gets behind the wheel of a high powered Sports Car. And I personally believe it's irresponsible for parents to buy a sports car for their teenager.
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in essence of the last post, dont speed, dont carry friends with you, dont drink or do drugs, remember that you CAN die and WILL if you dont think before you do, and stay safe and alert. AND MAKE SURE YOU LOOK BEHIND YOU WHEN SLOWING IN THE FREEWAY!!! i mean, you could be slowing for an accident and the dick behind you could get you killed or seriously injured (see thread "is the Z safe?") ... im getting a Z when im 16, but first im driving my mom's 'burb for a few months, always remember when you get behind the wheel that it could be your last. remember these points and you should be ok
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Yea I am sick and tired of the older generation telling me this car is not for you, you're too young, your this your that. I mean jeez, dont stereotype a young generation.
Yes, there are stupid morons our age who do dumb things in cars but that doesnt mean that we are all like that.
Just for the record, let me say that senior citizens are by far the WORST drivers in the world.
Yes, there are stupid morons our age who do dumb things in cars but that doesnt mean that we are all like that.
Just for the record, let me say that senior citizens are by far the WORST drivers in the world.
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Originally posted by Intrepid
The sight of a teen driver careening through a residential neighborhood at top speed or coasting down a major highway with six friends leaning out the windows is, to most, hardly a surprise. Teens are frequently associated with reckless or unsafe driving.
According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), traffic accidents are the leading cause of death for young people between the ages of 16 and 22. In fact, auto accidents account for about one-third of all fatalities in this age group.
Although 16 to 20-year-olds make up only six percent of the total driving population, they comprised 22 percent of those who died in speed-related crashes in 1997. Fatalities aside, the NHTSA states that a sixteen-year old driver is twenty times as likely to have a traffic accident as the rest of the driving population.
Teen drivers are involved in more single-vehicle crashes than other drivers. For instance, they are more apt to crash into trees, barriers, or poles.
Teen drivers have 3 years or less driving experience their lack of experience is one cause of the increased risk of accidents.
In addition, attitude contributes to the overall safety of teen driving. An adolescent sense of invincibility contributes to a higher incidence of car accidents. Indeed, many teenagers seem to believe that they are immortal and can therefore face anything. Unfortunately, this sense of invincibility often leads teens to drive while under the influence of alcohol or other drugs. In fact, the Department of Transportation claims that in 1998, one-fifth of adolescent drivers had consumed at least one alcoholic beverage before getting into a fatal accident.
Nearly as dangerous is the refusal of many teens to wear seatbelts. According to the NHTSA, about 54 percent of young people that die in automotive crashes were not wearing seat belts. Also, many teens speed excessively without thinking of the consequences they might face.
A study has shown that the more passengers that pile into the car with a teenaged driver, the greater the risk of an accident that will kill the driver. The study Peterson spoke of was conducted by Li- Hui Chen, who headed a research team at Johns Hopkins School of Public Health.
The results indicated that the relative risk of driver death, when compared with drivers of the same age whose cars were carrying no passengers, was 39 percent higher for drivers with one passenger, 86 percent higher with two passengers, and 282 percent higher with three or more passengers.
The risk of death increases with drivers transporting passengers regardless of the time of day or gender of the driver. However, research shows that the risk to male drivers is greater.
All of these risks are increased when a teen gets behind the wheel of a high powered Sports Car. And I personally believe it's irresponsible for parents to buy a sports car for their teenager.
The sight of a teen driver careening through a residential neighborhood at top speed or coasting down a major highway with six friends leaning out the windows is, to most, hardly a surprise. Teens are frequently associated with reckless or unsafe driving.
According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), traffic accidents are the leading cause of death for young people between the ages of 16 and 22. In fact, auto accidents account for about one-third of all fatalities in this age group.
Although 16 to 20-year-olds make up only six percent of the total driving population, they comprised 22 percent of those who died in speed-related crashes in 1997. Fatalities aside, the NHTSA states that a sixteen-year old driver is twenty times as likely to have a traffic accident as the rest of the driving population.
Teen drivers are involved in more single-vehicle crashes than other drivers. For instance, they are more apt to crash into trees, barriers, or poles.
Teen drivers have 3 years or less driving experience their lack of experience is one cause of the increased risk of accidents.
In addition, attitude contributes to the overall safety of teen driving. An adolescent sense of invincibility contributes to a higher incidence of car accidents. Indeed, many teenagers seem to believe that they are immortal and can therefore face anything. Unfortunately, this sense of invincibility often leads teens to drive while under the influence of alcohol or other drugs. In fact, the Department of Transportation claims that in 1998, one-fifth of adolescent drivers had consumed at least one alcoholic beverage before getting into a fatal accident.
Nearly as dangerous is the refusal of many teens to wear seatbelts. According to the NHTSA, about 54 percent of young people that die in automotive crashes were not wearing seat belts. Also, many teens speed excessively without thinking of the consequences they might face.
A study has shown that the more passengers that pile into the car with a teenaged driver, the greater the risk of an accident that will kill the driver. The study Peterson spoke of was conducted by Li- Hui Chen, who headed a research team at Johns Hopkins School of Public Health.
The results indicated that the relative risk of driver death, when compared with drivers of the same age whose cars were carrying no passengers, was 39 percent higher for drivers with one passenger, 86 percent higher with two passengers, and 282 percent higher with three or more passengers.
The risk of death increases with drivers transporting passengers regardless of the time of day or gender of the driver. However, research shows that the risk to male drivers is greater.
All of these risks are increased when a teen gets behind the wheel of a high powered Sports Car. And I personally believe it's irresponsible for parents to buy a sports car for their teenager.
Thoes that are drangerious drives are dangerious regardless of the performance of the car that they are in. a honda accord with a I-4 is jsut a dagerious as a Porsche 911 turbo in the same hands... the safety of the driver has nothing to do with what car they drive.... People that are older and more exprenced are jsut one of the 4:
1. Thinks that they are a good driver and in reality are and have always been
2. Thinks they are good drivers but are actually quite dangerious and always have been
3. Don't have a clue how do drive and don't care
4. When young were bad drivers but have realized how to become better
Alot of people can spit out stats but stats are worthless by theirselves and Can never be used to represent a memeber of the population that the stats represent.... I agree there are alot of bad young drivers out there but they are bad for many reasons.. the car is never at fault nor the cause.
There need to be more education and training and stricter tests that is the solution.... It is extreamly to easy to get a lisense in America and there are too many unsafe cars out there resulting from abuse.. If u feel strongly about helping teens stay alive while driving then don't spit out quotes about how dagerious we are ( i am 18) be proactive and figure out a way to help solve the problem NOT AVOID IT
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I don't think all teens are reckless drivers. Some are very responsible drivers. However, I still wouldn't buy my son a Z until he graduated college. By then he's had more driving experience, is more mature and realizes he's mortal. 
And the type of car you drive IS a factor. The Z can get you in trouble a lot faster than a Honda Civic.
Oh, and I agree senior citizens often CAUSE accidents. They really should re-test drivers after the age of 65 or so and every 3 years thereafter.
And the type of car you drive IS a factor. The Z can get you in trouble a lot faster than a Honda Civic.
Oh, and I agree senior citizens often CAUSE accidents. They really should re-test drivers after the age of 65 or so and every 3 years thereafter.
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Originally posted by Intrepid
I don't think all teens are reckless drivers. Some are very responsible drivers. However, I still wouldn't buy my son a Z until he graduated college. By then he's had more driving experience, is more mature and realizes he's mortal.
And the type of car you drive IS a factor. The Z can get you in trouble a lot faster than a Honda Civic.
Oh, and I agree senior citizens often CAUSE accidents. They really should re-test drivers after the age of 65 or so and every 3 years thereafter.
I don't think all teens are reckless drivers. Some are very responsible drivers. However, I still wouldn't buy my son a Z until he graduated college. By then he's had more driving experience, is more mature and realizes he's mortal.
And the type of car you drive IS a factor. The Z can get you in trouble a lot faster than a Honda Civic.
Oh, and I agree senior citizens often CAUSE accidents. They really should re-test drivers after the age of 65 or so and every 3 years thereafter.
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Originally posted by Intrepid
The sight of a teen driver careening through a residential neighborhood at top speed or coasting down a major highway with six friends leaning out the windows is, to most, hardly a surprise. Teens are frequently associated with reckless or unsafe driving.
According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), traffic accidents are the leading cause of death for young people between the ages of 16 and 22. In fact, auto accidents account for about one-third of all fatalities in this age group.
Although 16 to 20-year-olds make up only six percent of the total driving population, they comprised 22 percent of those who died in speed-related crashes in 1997. Fatalities aside, the NHTSA states that a sixteen-year old driver is twenty times as likely to have a traffic accident as the rest of the driving population.
Teen drivers are involved in more single-vehicle crashes than other drivers. For instance, they are more apt to crash into trees, barriers, or poles.
Teen drivers have 3 years or less driving experience their lack of experience is one cause of the increased risk of accidents.
In addition, attitude contributes to the overall safety of teen driving. An adolescent sense of invincibility contributes to a higher incidence of car accidents. Indeed, many teenagers seem to believe that they are immortal and can therefore face anything. Unfortunately, this sense of invincibility often leads teens to drive while under the influence of alcohol or other drugs. In fact, the Department of Transportation claims that in 1998, one-fifth of adolescent drivers had consumed at least one alcoholic beverage before getting into a fatal accident.
Nearly as dangerous is the refusal of many teens to wear seatbelts. According to the NHTSA, about 54 percent of young people that die in automotive crashes were not wearing seat belts. Also, many teens speed excessively without thinking of the consequences they might face.
A study has shown that the more passengers that pile into the car with a teenaged driver, the greater the risk of an accident that will kill the driver. The study Peterson spoke of was conducted by Li- Hui Chen, who headed a research team at Johns Hopkins School of Public Health.
The results indicated that the relative risk of driver death, when compared with drivers of the same age whose cars were carrying no passengers, was 39 percent higher for drivers with one passenger, 86 percent higher with two passengers, and 282 percent higher with three or more passengers.
The risk of death increases with drivers transporting passengers regardless of the time of day or gender of the driver. However, research shows that the risk to male drivers is greater.
All of these risks are increased when a teen gets behind the wheel of a high powered Sports Car. And I personally believe it's irresponsible for parents to buy a sports car for their teenager.
The sight of a teen driver careening through a residential neighborhood at top speed or coasting down a major highway with six friends leaning out the windows is, to most, hardly a surprise. Teens are frequently associated with reckless or unsafe driving.
According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), traffic accidents are the leading cause of death for young people between the ages of 16 and 22. In fact, auto accidents account for about one-third of all fatalities in this age group.
Although 16 to 20-year-olds make up only six percent of the total driving population, they comprised 22 percent of those who died in speed-related crashes in 1997. Fatalities aside, the NHTSA states that a sixteen-year old driver is twenty times as likely to have a traffic accident as the rest of the driving population.
Teen drivers are involved in more single-vehicle crashes than other drivers. For instance, they are more apt to crash into trees, barriers, or poles.
Teen drivers have 3 years or less driving experience their lack of experience is one cause of the increased risk of accidents.
In addition, attitude contributes to the overall safety of teen driving. An adolescent sense of invincibility contributes to a higher incidence of car accidents. Indeed, many teenagers seem to believe that they are immortal and can therefore face anything. Unfortunately, this sense of invincibility often leads teens to drive while under the influence of alcohol or other drugs. In fact, the Department of Transportation claims that in 1998, one-fifth of adolescent drivers had consumed at least one alcoholic beverage before getting into a fatal accident.
Nearly as dangerous is the refusal of many teens to wear seatbelts. According to the NHTSA, about 54 percent of young people that die in automotive crashes were not wearing seat belts. Also, many teens speed excessively without thinking of the consequences they might face.
A study has shown that the more passengers that pile into the car with a teenaged driver, the greater the risk of an accident that will kill the driver. The study Peterson spoke of was conducted by Li- Hui Chen, who headed a research team at Johns Hopkins School of Public Health.
The results indicated that the relative risk of driver death, when compared with drivers of the same age whose cars were carrying no passengers, was 39 percent higher for drivers with one passenger, 86 percent higher with two passengers, and 282 percent higher with three or more passengers.
The risk of death increases with drivers transporting passengers regardless of the time of day or gender of the driver. However, research shows that the risk to male drivers is greater.
All of these risks are increased when a teen gets behind the wheel of a high powered Sports Car. And I personally believe it's irresponsible for parents to buy a sports car for their teenager.
I think heavily restricted licenses at age 16. No full licenses until 18 and HEFTY penalties (nto just money thier parents can pay) for violations and traffic offenses. Being very heavey handed on teen drivers keeps THEM safe and US safe. It's super-good policy for all.
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FIRST OF ALL - How about you grow up and stop relying on daddy to buy a car for you. Get a job, ,save some money and get a less expensive car!! Jsut because daddy tells you he'll buy a car for you doesn't mean that you have to go out and but the "best" car on the block. My opinion is get less expensive car now, ,save your money and then get somthing in your early 20's and you will appreciate it 100% more. It will be a car that you want and you will have bought it with your hard earned money. Just my 2 cents...
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Originally posted by jtree007
I am not jsut barking at you intrepid you jsut happend to hit on one of my pet peves, I jsut get sick of hearing how dangerious teen drivers are yet no one really wants to solve the problem and think that age autmatticaly means a better driver... (I proved my dad wrong last weekend on who was the better driver)
I am not jsut barking at you intrepid you jsut happend to hit on one of my pet peves, I jsut get sick of hearing how dangerious teen drivers are yet no one really wants to solve the problem and think that age autmatticaly means a better driver... (I proved my dad wrong last weekend on who was the better driver)
That said, teens are, with very FEW exceptions, far more dangerous than adult drivers. When I was your age (not htat long ago...5 years) I was the same way. "Time doesn't count for everything" blah blah. Just wait until you get there -- no other way to understand.
Here's the deal: it takes very little skill to get a DL in the US. Our young drivers have very little skill and very little experience. Older drivers, who had the same lack luster tests to pass, have the time tested experience that helps them to be safer. Everybody is different, some adults are HORRIBLE drivers. Some adults are also horrible public speakers -- but we all start out rather crappy and get better wit practice...everyday, day after day, week after week, year after year. The older you get, the less likley you are to be invloved in an accident. Why is that?? The older you get, the more your perspective and priorites change.
Here's the deal: YOU will, without a doubt, be a better driver in 5 years than you are today. THAT is the truth and it applies to everybody (in varying degrees).
And BTW, I'm not sure how you "proved to your dad you were a better driver". If it has to do with an autocross I say BALOGNI!!!(sp?)
I quick time is great, it shows great ability to control a car and run it fast. Doesn't mean you have the mindset to stay out of bad situations on the road. I love autocrossing. But I KNOW there are people out there that can't run as fast as I can but are probably safer drivers than me on the normal, everyday road. Everyday driving isn't pure skill. It's also knowing when and where to go. When not to push it, when it is safe to drive at a certain speedf based on condition. Time will teach these lessons, since we know our drivers training doesn't.
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Originally posted by Killermove
I think heavily restricted licenses at age 16. No full licenses until 18 and HEFTY penalties (nto just money thier parents can pay) for violations and traffic offenses. Being very heavey handed on teen drivers keeps THEM safe and US safe. It's super-good policy for all.
I think heavily restricted licenses at age 16. No full licenses until 18 and HEFTY penalties (nto just money thier parents can pay) for violations and traffic offenses. Being very heavey handed on teen drivers keeps THEM safe and US safe. It's super-good policy for all.
The solution is in education.. scare the hell out of teens and properly teach them how to drive... (driver's ed does not count.. it is jsut a joke as far as I am concerned and is only the first basic step in even learning to drive and offers no major help) The hefty penalties can work if they are balenced correctly
For instance here in georgia I can loose my lisence after two tickets at 15 over the speed lmit but I can have a few massive accidents that harmed or even killed with no threat of losing my lisence or (and in some cases) have a DUI.... this is unbalanced (for thoes that don't live in atlana the average speed on interstate inside the city on interstate is around 75-85 and the speed limit is 55.. less then 1% of the cars go 55 or slower unless heavy traffic/ accidents)