350z - Evo MR - STi
10-17-2007, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by gjoey66
simple physics really...on a track you want all the steering grip you can out of the front tires and all the propulsion out of the rear, again this is only road racing talk here...if you use the front tires to pull also, then the traction vector is not perfectly perpendicular to the driveline of that tire and therefore could be turning harder...people do all sorts of things with tire biasing and such but in the end it's just plain faster to have the drive going to the rear only...and that doesn't factor in wieght. Now that's just the physics of rwd vs. awd...I love Z's but in the end, I'm not sure which is faster on the track...with very few mods i've seen the evo's spank everything close to stock on the track...once you talk about full race prep...they really do get left behind. you have to look at it objectively...the evo can beat with Z with a few bucks thrown at it...but once you really throw down some cash on both...the Z is clearly going to dominate a road race, it's just a better configuration.
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10-17-2007, 05:11 PM
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^ And I think he mighta forgot about the HKS TA Evo.
10-21-2007, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by bboypuertoroc
So what you're saying is you have no game.
You don't buy a car so other people can like the looks... you buy it for YOU.
You don't buy a car so other people can like the looks... you buy it for YOU.
Thanks but I was not the one looking for advice on this thread. I make most of my decisions in my own best interest
And as far as game..... in Dallas we need no game...theres is plenty of smokin hot women for everyone.
10-21-2007, 01:28 PM
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It's all about preference, imo. I personally owned both the Sti (while working for MMCA at the time), the Evo VIII GSR (5spd), w/c both cars i only owned for a year, and my last one, an Evo VIII MR (6spd), w/c lasted me 3 years until i just recenty picked up my NISMO 350Z. All cars have gr8 potential, but then again boils down to what the driver is after. Practicality, costs, impression and the like. I love my new Z, but I do miss the MR. I would suggest for one to test drive all three and then weigh things out, the pros and cons of owning one vehicle compared to the other. One would better be off making the right choice and driving his/her car because of his own decision and not because of the hype. That said, good luck and hope you make the right decision. 
10-21-2007, 01:47 PM
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I went threw the same thing when I bought my Z. First off most girls don't know crap about cars. Yes the Z looks better. You'll get hella more complements on the Z than a Evo. An I'll tell you this, getting those complements makes you feel better about putting down 30+K on a car. When I drove home to see my family my dad loved my car. So we took a lil drive in my Z when we happen to see an Evo I told him I almost got that car. He was glad I made the right choice. I also got a lot of ricer friends who drive turboed/NOS hondas they beat me all the time. I tell them your car maybe faster but atleaste when I loose I look good loosing. An even after our races I get more looks at my car than his honda. It also came down to this, when in my life will I ever get to own a 2 seated sports car? Im young and married I know once we have children the smart thing for me to do is get a 4 door hey maybe thats when I'll get the EVO!? who knows but I do know a 2 door 2 seated coup is out of the question. just because you get the Z now dosen't mean you can never get an EVO. plenty of people here have owned a STI or EVO and now own a Z. well these are my 2 cents.
10-21-2007, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Devil Z
The Z has more potential than any of those two Econoboxes.
Not to mention faster, looks better, and is RWD.
Not to mention faster, looks better, and is RWD.
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10-21-2007, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by nareg
thats not really true. i had a evo and all it had was a catback, filter, boost controller and a tune and i was running a 12.8 @ 109 with a 2.1 60 ft. the evo has a stronger block because it is iron other than aluminum which is why it can take so much more boost on a stock motor.i was running 24psi on pump gas, a z really cant do that. those cars are a lot easier to make a lot more faster than a z is. boost is easier than n/a. i can barly beat a evo ix with a turbo back exhaust, intake, 24psi and a tune and i have a 07 with 3.9 final drive, nismo lsd and a 75 shot. those cars arent slow, i dunno about the sti though.
This is coming from an Evo IX owner... it's impossible to say an Evo has more potential than a Z. Simple displacement matter there. The Z has 1.5l on top of an Evo and 2 more cylinders to play with. There's no way arond it. Now, are there more high-power Evo's running around than high-power Z's? Of course. The Evo is easier to work with and is cheaper to work on. But potential lies with displacement and cylinders.
The ONLY reason Evo's make more power per dollar is because they're factory boosted and can handle ~550awhp on stock internals... and it doesn't cost much to get there either.
And a 2.1 60'? Come on man... I cut a 1.68 stock.
10-21-2007, 05:29 PM
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that was the one run i got when i tuned the car, i messed up the launch but the best i did was a 1.9 60ft. but if i was to buy a car just for speed it would be the evo. but displacment isnt always the issue, wotm made 1400ish horsepower from a 3.4lt supra with a 88 mm turbo i think. a tt viper with a lot big motor isnt that much more. there is a replacment for displacment, big turbo. and u cut a 1.68 with the two step set at 5k?
10-21-2007, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by nareg
that was the one run i got when i tuned the car, i messed up the launch but the best i did was a 1.9 60ft. but if i was to buy a car just for speed it would be the evo. but displacment isnt always the issue, wotm made 1400ish horsepower from a 3.4lt supra with a 88 mm turbo i think. a tt viper with a lot big motor isnt that much more. there is a replacment for displacment, big turbo. and u cut a 1.68 with the two step set at 5k?
It's also not always about peak power... slap 2 35Rs on a 350Z and they'll spool quicker and produce much more torque than a single 35R on an Evo. Now with the '07 Z's, they can rev out to 7500, closing the gap some with the Evo (even though we don't know what twin 35R's are gonna do on the HR motor yet). Hell, you can slap a single 42R on a Z and the same on an Evo... the Z is gonna win. It'll be the same story - more torque, quicker spool.
And yes... I cut that 60' launching at 5k. Don't know how... it was a freak launch, and I couldn't replicate it since (closest I got was like 1.73 or some ****, and that was launching at 6k). Whenever we get a ****ing track out here, I'll see how deep into 1.6 territory I can dig with my ACT.
10-21-2007, 07:10 PM
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It's a DJ number (only AWD dyno on the island). At the time, I had a TurboXS TBE, Buschur filter, Walbro 255 HP, Hallman MBC, and a horrible, garbage-*** Dynoflash tune.
I got a few more parts on now (UICP/LICP, clutch/flywheel, Mellon tune, O2 housing, some other random ****) and when I get back from the Philippines I'll be getting cams, alky, FMIC, and either a Green or 35R (among other random stuff).
I got a few more parts on now (UICP/LICP, clutch/flywheel, Mellon tune, O2 housing, some other random ****) and when I get back from the Philippines I'll be getting cams, alky, FMIC, and either a Green or 35R (among other random stuff).
10-21-2007, 07:14 PM
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on a stock turbo you can make 360ish with just the cosworth 272s. i dunno how much boost but i know it can be done. i have the 272s sitting in my office, i didnt put them on the car before i sold it. kinda wish i did. i really miss it. nothing like that 1st gear pull
10-21-2007, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by nareg
on a stock turbo you can make 360ish with just the cosworth 272s. i dunno how much boost but i know it can be done. i have the 272s sitting in my office, i didnt put them on the car before i sold it. kinda wish i did. i really miss it. nothing like that 1st gear pull
10-23-2007, 08:02 PM
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my evo is pushing 350 hp and 370 tq with boost controller boosting 23.5, turbo back exhaust and custom tune, i never lost to a Z evo have more potential there is more 10 second evo than z, there is no z that is 8 second and street driven evo do
EVO IS BETTER THAN Z AND STI
EVO IS BETTER THAN Z AND STI
I would not say that evo have more potential.
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Originally Posted by lanevolution8
my evo is pushing 350 hp and 370 tq with boost controller boosting 23.5, turbo back exhaust and custom tune, i never lost to a Z evo have more potential there is more 10 second evo than z, there is no z that is 8 second and street driven evo do
EVO IS BETTER THAN Z AND STI
EVO IS BETTER THAN Z AND STI
Oh yeah, I call ******** on those numbers. There's no ****ing way in hell you're putting that much down with 3 mods.