New to the forum, have a few questions.
Originally Posted by Z-T
I cross shopped the STI. A bit more $ than the Neon, but just about as fast. Once you drive a perfectly balanced, RWD Z, you'll see the #'s even an STI can produce means nothing. Don't get me wrong, I love a fast car (and the Z IS fast, don't kid yourself), but the Z FEELS like a true no compromise sports car. At 1/2 the price, you're getting a car that can do the same lap times as an E46 M3. I know because it was another car I was cross shopping. $ for $, nothing could touch the Z (and it's brand spanking new!).
There's cars around the same price that can eat an M3's *** on a road course BTW.
Originally Posted by danisr1
if you are 18 and want to start modding a Z you better have some money or wealthy parents. bolt on mods are more than most cars and dont add much power. F/I Z is a blast, but not a cheap hobby. for a stock car the Z is a good ride, to get more power will cost you.
Originally Posted by bboypuertoroc
Too many other differences to call it just a Neon with a turbo.
Besides the turbo, you got the engine, tranny, brakes, suspension, body mods, different interior pieces (not all of them, of course) etc. That's a much bigger chunk than just the turbo.
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Originally Posted by bboypuertoroc
Just about as fast? LMAO... an STi/STI would DESTROY an SRT 4. And it costs $10k+ more than an SRT 4. Now if you mean WRX, I understand.
There's cars around the same price that can eat an M3's *** on a road course BTW.
There's cars around the same price that can eat an M3's *** on a road course BTW.
Originally Posted by RedBullRR
Call it like I see it. If it Looks, Smells, and tastes like a neon. Is it not a neon?
Originally Posted by Z-T
I stand corrected - the STI is faster (I was thinking WRX - which I once owned). As for the M3 comment, I'm not so sure. Which cars are you thinking? The M3 consistently has incredibly fast track times. The Z times I've seen are almost identical.
One car comes to mind for me... Evo IX. RS, GSR, MR... doesn't matter.The Evo got beat by an '07 Z on a road course (VIR) once, but has never lost any other time (there was brake fade present for some reason (guessing brakes didn't get properly broken in before throwing it on the track) and the better tires the Z now comes with).
I'll have to dig through some of my stuff at home... I got some vids of Evo's (stock) handing M3's their asses on tracks.
Tony (maybe by 'cars' I meant 'car'... just trying not to start an Evo vs. all thing)
*EDIT* By any other time, I mean previous Z's... I haven't seen anything else regarding the '07 Z's.
I may be alone in my this opinion, but I feel the Z is a more refined vehicle. Granted, SRT's may be fast and easily modified, but I feel it's a vehicle for a younger generation. With that being said, for a young man starting out in the car enthusiast world it's perfect. Low priced and mods are more affordable than other vehicles such as the Z. In my time, the car to have was the 1993 thru 1995 civic. Of course back 12 or 13 years ago turbos were not as widely used as they are in todays cars, but never the less this was the preferable choice of vehicle a young car enthusiast started out with. It was perfect: inexpensive and mods were moderately priced.
As we mature our taste change, as well as what we likely envision ourselves driving. With this change in vehicle taste, also comes a price tag. Price increase equals less bang for you buck, but that's all part of the game. 10 to 15 years from now I'll see myself in a new ball game with a step up from the Z. The cycle starts all over. What 20k in mods would get me on a Z, may only be chump change in comparison to what small purchasing power 20k would get you on a Porsche.
The moral of the story: Live within your means, afford what you can, have a good time doing it, and don't compare apples to oranges.
As we mature our taste change, as well as what we likely envision ourselves driving. With this change in vehicle taste, also comes a price tag. Price increase equals less bang for you buck, but that's all part of the game. 10 to 15 years from now I'll see myself in a new ball game with a step up from the Z. The cycle starts all over. What 20k in mods would get me on a Z, may only be chump change in comparison to what small purchasing power 20k would get you on a Porsche.
The moral of the story: Live within your means, afford what you can, have a good time doing it, and don't compare apples to oranges.
Last edited by VO...; May 30, 2007 at 01:41 PM.
Originally Posted by vo7848
I may be alone in my this opinion, but I feel the Z is a more refined vehicle. Granted, SRT's may be fast and easily modified, but I feel it's a vehicle for a younger generation. With that being said, for a young man starting out in the car enthusiast world it's perfect. Low priced and mods are more affordable than other vehicles such as the Z. In my time, the car to have was the 1993 thru 1995 civic. Of course back 12 or 13 years ago turbos were not as widely used as they are in todays cars, but never the less this was the preferable choice of vehicle a young car enthusiast started out with. It was perfect: inexpensive and mods were moderately priced.
As we mature our taste change, as well as what we likely envision ourselves driving. With this change in vehicle taste, also comes a price tag. Price increase equals less bang for you buck, but that's all part of the game. 10 to 15 years from now I'll see myself in a new ball game with a step up from the Z. The cycle starts all over. What 20k in mods would get me on a Z, may only be chump change in comparison to what small purchasing power 20k would get you on a Porsche.
The moral of the story: Live within you means, afford what you can, have a good time doing it, and don't compare apples to oranges.
As we mature our taste change, as well as what we likely envision ourselves driving. With this change in vehicle taste, also comes a price tag. Price increase equals less bang for you buck, but that's all part of the game. 10 to 15 years from now I'll see myself in a new ball game with a step up from the Z. The cycle starts all over. What 20k in mods would get me on a Z, may only be chump change in comparison to what small purchasing power 20k would get you on a Porsche.
The moral of the story: Live within you means, afford what you can, have a good time doing it, and don't compare apples to oranges.
APPLES > ORANGE
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Just about as fast? LMAO... an STi/STI would DESTROY an SRT 4. And it costs $10k+ more than an SRT 4. Now if you mean WRX, I understand.
There's cars around the same price that can eat an M3's *** on a road course BTW
There's cars around the same price that can eat an M3's *** on a road course BTW
Originally Posted by bboypuertoroc
So is a Viper.
BTW, at the end of the day, you own a Mitsubishi. There is no hiding that fact, jack! A 4-door sedan!
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The topic is about a Dodge Neon, just to get you back on topic.
BTW, at the end of the day, you own a Mitsubishi. There is no hiding that fact, jack! A 4-door sedan!
BTW, at the end of the day, you own a Mitsubishi. There is no hiding that fact, jack! A 4-door sedan!
Originally Posted by z-u-later
The topic is about a Dodge Neon, just to get you back on topic.
BTW, at the end of the day, you own a Mitsubishi. There is no hiding that fact, jack! A 4-door sedan!
BTW, at the end of the day, you own a Mitsubishi. There is no hiding that fact, jack! A 4-door sedan!
Originally Posted by z-u-later
You can call it whatever you want - SRT-4, Neon -- it's still a freakin' Dodge!!!
And now you bring more insults aimed at me into a thread that was going perfectly fine.
So how about YOU get back on the topic you were never on or GTFO. I'm pretty damn sick of your constant insulting bull****. Stop following me around like a lost little puppy.
Originally Posted by srt4turbo1
not tryin to start **** here, but dont give the srt that hard of a time. stock to stock the little neon is quicker then your 2 door sports car.
Originally Posted by srt4turbo1
Ive beat a brand new STI in my srt from a 40 and a 60 roll. Srt-4 hav like 0 turbo lag. But from a Dig, your right they would kill me.
Originally Posted by z-u-later
I'm not following you around. This is a 350Z forum. You own a Mitsubishi 4-door sedan. You are the lurker. Get over it, boy!
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What year? I know the '07's are much better up top than the previous years. Better gearing and a better turbo... I really don't see an SRT 4 keeping up with one (stock, anyways).