So... take the Nismo bodykit... add some flavor and a CF hood and...?
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Originally posted by DunReit
Phoenix,
Are you going to come out to VIR for the NASA HPDE?
Phoenix,
Are you going to come out to VIR for the NASA HPDE?
I would love to just come and watch the PARRC group head it up.
A good friend here that runs ITRs has rented out VIR before... I think he's trying again come spring, for an event. I think if we could organize enough Z drivers... we could do the same thing. He had it down to $175 per driver for eight (8) hours of track time. $22ish an hour... that's INSANE cheap track time.
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Originally posted by DunReit
I know a ton of the ITR guys from Honda-Tech.com... even the entire Honda-Challenge team...
I know a ton of the ITR guys from Honda-Tech.com... even the entire Honda-Challenge team...
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Who ever said CF hood bend and then return to shape doesn't know a damn thing about CF. CF is extremely strong and extremely brittle. That Type R picture shows a very minor front impact where just the bumper cover was knocked loose. The hoods on our cars are already lightweight aluminum and have been designed with intentional weak points so that they fold up on impact and don't come straight back through the window. My aluminum hood will have already gone through a crash test as well verifying that it will just fold up? What prood of safety does the manufacturer of the CF hoods give? Anyone that puts a CF hood on their car is a moron. I searched the internet and couldn't find one claim of safety testing for a CF hood. In fact, nearly every dealer recommends hood pins because I bet you anything you want that in most crashes the CF hood just fractures at the front latch point. I did find plenty of disclaimers like this one though:
FIBERGLASS/CARBONHOODS: Buyer fully understands that all fiberglass & carbon fiber hoods or hoods made of similar lightweight materials are sold "as is" with no warranty expressed or implied, due to the fact that all hoods are made of 100% fiberglass or a combination of fiberglass / carbon fiber. AERO TRENDS, INC. is not responsible or liable for any damages or responsible injury incurred upon possible accidents due to driver error, incorrect installations, bad judgment (cracking or breaking your hood) or act of nature. All aftermarket lightweight racing hoods are intended and recommended only for off-highway/show only! Buyer understands that all hoods are lightweight aftermarket hoods and that these hoods have no OEM specifications whatsoever. Most hoods come with a stock latch. We strongly recommend that all customers purchase hood pins for safety reasons on all aftermarket lightweight racing hoods. You may purchase hood pins at your local automotive retailer. We strongly recommend all customers only have a highly skilled professional body shop/technician install and paint any hoods/body kits (that require paint) for factory or show quality look. If any body kit/hood arrives damaged or cracked bad enough in which it cannot be repaired, you must contact or make a claim to with the shipping company immediately in order for claim to be processed and approved. Please refer to the Shipping/Handling section of this page for further details involving claims.
Have fun trading your safety for style. That is truly stupid, but I guess it is Darwinism at it's finest. Just crash before you breed.
FIBERGLASS/CARBONHOODS: Buyer fully understands that all fiberglass & carbon fiber hoods or hoods made of similar lightweight materials are sold "as is" with no warranty expressed or implied, due to the fact that all hoods are made of 100% fiberglass or a combination of fiberglass / carbon fiber. AERO TRENDS, INC. is not responsible or liable for any damages or responsible injury incurred upon possible accidents due to driver error, incorrect installations, bad judgment (cracking or breaking your hood) or act of nature. All aftermarket lightweight racing hoods are intended and recommended only for off-highway/show only! Buyer understands that all hoods are lightweight aftermarket hoods and that these hoods have no OEM specifications whatsoever. Most hoods come with a stock latch. We strongly recommend that all customers purchase hood pins for safety reasons on all aftermarket lightweight racing hoods. You may purchase hood pins at your local automotive retailer. We strongly recommend all customers only have a highly skilled professional body shop/technician install and paint any hoods/body kits (that require paint) for factory or show quality look. If any body kit/hood arrives damaged or cracked bad enough in which it cannot be repaired, you must contact or make a claim to with the shipping company immediately in order for claim to be processed and approved. Please refer to the Shipping/Handling section of this page for further details involving claims.
Have fun trading your safety for style. That is truly stupid, but I guess it is Darwinism at it's finest. Just crash before you breed.
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Dude, that disclaimer comes standard on everything from exhausts to shift ***** nowadays. Doesn't prove anything.
Anyways, why don't you just calm down and let people do what they want. A CF hood will just shatter upon impact, further more, while you will have lovely dents on your aluminum hood from stones, hail, road kill, a CF hood will retain its shape. Trust me, aluminum hoods are fairly fragile. My car has one, and I am constantly worried that something will dent it.
Anyways, why don't you just calm down and let people do what they want. A CF hood will just shatter upon impact, further more, while you will have lovely dents on your aluminum hood from stones, hail, road kill, a CF hood will retain its shape. Trust me, aluminum hoods are fairly fragile. My car has one, and I am constantly worried that something will dent it.
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you've ever worked with CF before? I have ok. i worked on building a CF shell for UCLA's human powered vehicle's team AND cf impact/mud fenders for SAE's Mini Baja for UCLA. AND i've NEVER had it shatter or crack .. and trust me. ever seen engineers drunk and pedaling bikes? i have and the CF lasts.
If you build CF correctly, its VERY flexible. dont confuse it with fiberglass which will split upon impact cuz the glass fibers are jsut shreds of it put together.. CF is carbon fibers weaved together like cloth.... its the way the fibers are laid in which CF gets its strength. if you do two criss crossing layer and put down the right % of resin mixture, its VERY strong and flexible. IF you put two layers of CF and cardboard and then another two layers. you will get a material with a stress rating of several hundred pounds per sq inch. if you want i can get you the #.
if you tap the screws into the Carbon correctly, and its all good. and YES of course you should always run hood pins, thats a no brainer. its not the CF that fails, its the latches you attach it to.
if you want safety, then mold in a crease in the middle of it. fine. it will buckle there if you're scared.
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If you build CF correctly, its VERY flexible. dont confuse it with fiberglass which will split upon impact cuz the glass fibers are jsut shreds of it put together.. CF is carbon fibers weaved together like cloth.... its the way the fibers are laid in which CF gets its strength. if you do two criss crossing layer and put down the right % of resin mixture, its VERY strong and flexible. IF you put two layers of CF and cardboard and then another two layers. you will get a material with a stress rating of several hundred pounds per sq inch. if you want i can get you the #.
if you tap the screws into the Carbon correctly, and its all good. and YES of course you should always run hood pins, thats a no brainer. its not the CF that fails, its the latches you attach it to.
if you want safety, then mold in a crease in the middle of it. fine. it will buckle there if you're scared.
-Cheston
Schawweeeeet... then you prolly know everyone I know. Being you are where you are... You ever meet Steve Sekai? Sick NA ITR w/SpecCs running 12.7s full interior... Also, did you go down to Peru for the nationals last year?
Now, I didn't get a chance to head down to the Peru nationals... but I'll be out and about more often now since I have weekends off...
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Dude, that disclaimer comes standard on everything from exhausts to shift ***** nowadays. Doesn't prove anything.
Anyways, why don't you just calm down and let people do what they want. A CF hood will just shatter upon impact, further more, while you will have lovely dents on your aluminum hood from stones, hail, road kill, a CF hood will retain its shape. Trust me, aluminum hoods are fairly fragile. My car has one, and I am constantly worried that something will dent it.
Dude, that disclaimer comes standard on everything from exhausts to shift ***** nowadays. Doesn't prove anything.
Anyways, why don't you just calm down and let people do what they want. A CF hood will just shatter upon impact, further more, while you will have lovely dents on your aluminum hood from stones, hail, road kill, a CF hood will retain its shape. Trust me, aluminum hoods are fairly fragile. My car has one, and I am constantly worried that something will dent it.
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Originally posted by DunReit
Yeah, I know Steve Sakai... I hung out with him a few weeks back... great guy (he's a walking encyclopedia)... he goes by sgT on H-T...
Now, I didn't get a chance to head down to the Peru nationals... but I'll be out and about more often now since I have weekends off...
Yeah, I know Steve Sakai... I hung out with him a few weeks back... great guy (he's a walking encyclopedia)... he goes by sgT on H-T...
Now, I didn't get a chance to head down to the Peru nationals... but I'll be out and about more often now since I have weekends off...
He's running an LS/VTEC now, with CTR cams... laying down 192... NOT BAD!!! ::thumbsup:: On slicks running 13.5s... Can't complain about that out of a full-interior GSR.
Weekends off? You finally got them too!!! Hahaha... I've worked weekend ALL my life it seems. Finally landed a killer M-F job... only ONE Saturday per month, and its OT.
<--- had to add that cause it looked cool!
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LOL, it's funny. I try not to generalize but in this case I am making an acception. If that makes me a high and mighty old fart at 30 then so be it. If you have a CF (more than likely it is CFRP and not true autoclave formed CF) hood then you are a ricer. I have raced everything from karts to Fomula Ford 2000 and done numerous open track days. How come at all the open track days it's always the ricers that wreck? 9/10 track day accidents are cars with stupid big wings, ridiculous body kits, wannabe CF hoods, and louder than hell exhausts.
Unfortunately we need the ricers to get enough people to pay for the track, insurance, safety team, etc. We do put them all in one run group so at least if they take each other out it's just another ricer. Being a ricer is not just a look. It is an attitude. A stupid attitude. These guys never want help, they know everything already, they all think they are invincible, they never follow directions at the track, and they keep the tow truck driver busy.
As much as you want to think of us as "old farts" the real racers will always hate the wannabe ricers. Real racing is on a track, wheel to wheel, car to car, with turns and not just in a straight line. I have tried AutoX and while there is no doubt it requires skill (so does golf) it is basically racing masturbation(I know I'll get flamed for that one!). I just could never get the same rush dodging cones in a parking lot, but at least you will be able to beat Suzy Homemaker for that upfront parking spot at the mall.
Unfortunately we need the ricers to get enough people to pay for the track, insurance, safety team, etc. We do put them all in one run group so at least if they take each other out it's just another ricer. Being a ricer is not just a look. It is an attitude. A stupid attitude. These guys never want help, they know everything already, they all think they are invincible, they never follow directions at the track, and they keep the tow truck driver busy.
As much as you want to think of us as "old farts" the real racers will always hate the wannabe ricers. Real racing is on a track, wheel to wheel, car to car, with turns and not just in a straight line. I have tried AutoX and while there is no doubt it requires skill (so does golf) it is basically racing masturbation(I know I'll get flamed for that one!). I just could never get the same rush dodging cones in a parking lot, but at least you will be able to beat Suzy Homemaker for that upfront parking spot at the mall.
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Originally posted by DunReit
Steve's ITR is running 230fwhp and 157fwtq... That's damn impressive for an all-motor B18C5...
Steve's ITR is running 230fwhp and 157fwtq... That's damn impressive for an all-motor B18C5...
MAYBE there is no replacement, for displacement?
Rumor has it the Zs 3.5L uses titanium valves, springs, and retainers... sounds like its already begging to be revved higher than redline indicates. Can't wait for someone to crack the motor and confirm this.
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Originally posted by S2kRob
Dude, you have a shitty attitude.
Dude, you have a shitty attitude.
Rice is like stuffing a sock down your pants. When it comes time to deliver, every one is dissapointed.
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Sorry, i just had to join in on this one..
The reason Carbon Fiber hoods can be unsafe is because they DON'T crack and merely flex and retain their original shape. CF hoods have been known to not flex and pop off at their rear mounting points making them fly backwards into the windshield and into the passenger compartment.
I keep on hearing you CF hood propagators say that the CF hood is strong and doesn't crack like fiberglass, it's EXACTLY that property of the hood which makes it dangerous. On a stock Aluminum hood the hood will crush at the proper points thereby absorbing energy, a CF hood doesn't do that, therefore to assure safety it has to be held down by pins, preventing the hood from flying off the car in a crash into the passenger compartment. There was a post on is300.net about a person who worked in crash testing at GM and his funniest moments at work. They had a stock hood that had improper crush points--when the car crashed the hood ended up coming off and decapitating the driver. I hope that doesn't happen to all you idiots who have CF hoods without hood pins.
Sorry, i just had to join in on this one..
The reason Carbon Fiber hoods can be unsafe is because they DON'T crack and merely flex and retain their original shape. CF hoods have been known to not flex and pop off at their rear mounting points making them fly backwards into the windshield and into the passenger compartment.
I keep on hearing you CF hood propagators say that the CF hood is strong and doesn't crack like fiberglass, it's EXACTLY that property of the hood which makes it dangerous. On a stock Aluminum hood the hood will crush at the proper points thereby absorbing energy, a CF hood doesn't do that, therefore to assure safety it has to be held down by pins, preventing the hood from flying off the car in a crash into the passenger compartment. There was a post on is300.net about a person who worked in crash testing at GM and his funniest moments at work. They had a stock hood that had improper crush points--when the car crashed the hood ended up coming off and decapitating the driver. I hope that doesn't happen to all you idiots who have CF hoods without hood pins.
I hope it was a crash test dummy that lost his head. Otherwise, I don't think that qualifies as a "funniest moment!"
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I hope it was a crash test dummy that lost his head. Otherwise, I don't think that qualifies as a "funniest moment!"
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I hope it was a crash test dummy that lost his head. Otherwise, I don't think that qualifies as a "funniest moment!"
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By the way guys... glad I did ONE little photochop!!! Looks like it has turned into 350Zs longest post ever.
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this is why i really like this board, Day time DRAMA!!
as for the cf hood, yuck, personally i don't like it. i see these cars all the time here in NYC, most of them are civics with big wings and exhaust the size of my head. i can't stand hondas with big exhausts.
as for the cf hood, yuck, personally i don't like it. i see these cars all the time here in NYC, most of them are civics with big wings and exhaust the size of my head. i can't stand hondas with big exhausts.
