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Old Nov 4, 2002 | 11:49 AM
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"The last time I checked, LoJack did not install any stickers on the vehicle windows. It only makes since...if the culprit knew you had LoJack the first step (after stealing it) would be to disable it. Any pro auto thief would know the sticker is a fake."


Aren't the LoJack transmitters hidden somewhere on or in the car during installation? I heard that they can be placed in many places that can vary from car to car and could take a while to find. If a thief thinks that a car has LoJack, he would probably not want to risk driving it or spending the time searching for the transmitter. And the Z is going to be a pretty common car, so there will be many others he could target without this risk. Even if the sticker was "fake", for all he knows, the car could still be LoJack enabled.
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Old Nov 4, 2002 | 01:22 PM
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I don't think most car thieves care about getting caught, because they're often kids who won't be punished at all, or adults that will just be processed and thrown right back on the street.

What I want to know are the *exact numbers* on Lojack. How many people have it, how many of those cars were stolen, and how many have had recoveries? Of those recoveries, what was the average repair bill, and did customers have to pay it, or is it figured in on the Lojack insurance scheme?
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Old Nov 4, 2002 | 01:32 PM
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mark754...

You are absolutrly right. However, the LoJack system is not activated until the car owner:
(1) learns that the vehicle is missing (could be hours)
(2) notifies LoJack

So if you are running into the store and come out to find your vehicle missing the thief might not be far. But if you are asleep inside your home and don't notice your car gone until the next morning, the thief could be hours away (or have had plenty of time to disable your LoJack).

LoJack does not put the stickers on the car because they do not want the thief to know the system is on board. A pro thief would know this and the display of fake stickers might make your car more of a target.
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Old Nov 4, 2002 | 01:44 PM
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Keep this in mind... In South Florida, I have heard of stories when cops ignore, yes ignore, LoJack alerts.

Unless you get a great deal on it, I would say no and just get a decent alarm, maybe one with a two way pager (I have the Autopage RS-750LCD in my S2000 - very good) and get good insurance and you should be fine.

Remember... in the end, its just a car... if they want it bad enough, alarm or not, they will take it. This is what insurance is for.
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Old Nov 4, 2002 | 03:56 PM
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wes,

I, of course, have comprehensive insurance. However, if the car was stollen let's say 2 years from now I would only get back the then "blue book" value of the car. With the additional insurance from Nissan I get the current year Z. This already gives me piece of mind because I am sure that although the car is now only one month old, the insurance company will claim that it is not worth what it was 2 minutes before I drove it out of the dealership.

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Old Nov 4, 2002 | 04:14 PM
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Default Re: LoJack facts and rumors put to rest.

Originally posted by Deuuuce
FBI says 80% of car thieves are PROFESSIONALS.

The consumer calls the POLICE, not LoJack - it's the only system used by the Police and is tied in with the NCIC.
The consumer calls the Police and the Police calls LoJack. LoJack then finds the account and activates the system. The point is that LoJack is not activated by the Police, it is activated by LoJack.
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Old Nov 4, 2002 | 04:24 PM
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FWIW, I'm getting Lo-Jack installed on my car. I have had alarms on cars for the past several years & the only thing they have done is cause ME problems when they malfunctiioned & the car wouldn't start.

Supposedly already available on the east Coast but not until first quarter of next year in CA, - Lo-Jack will have an additional feature that we can upgrade into if we want that will dial a pre-arranged phone number if the car is moved or otherwise compromised. I don't know if it's a good idea or not, but I guess they sell it as when you are on vacation or away from your car & it is jarred or moved, you get a phone call to tell you your car is moving. Then you call the cops.

I'm gonna try lo-jack.
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Old Nov 4, 2002 | 07:11 PM
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Default Re: LoJack facts and rumors put to rest.

Originally posted by Deuuuce
FBI says 80% of car thieves are PROFESSIONALS.

The consumer calls the POLICE, not LoJack - it's the only system used by the Police and is tied in with the NCIC.

LoJack has over a 90% recovery rate, typcially in TWO hours with NO damage - for ALL reported stolen vehicles with LoJack.

They have sold over 2 million units and have had OVER 50,000 recoveries to date. Southern California is now at over 240 recoveries PER MONTH! And bust on average, 1 chop shop per month in SoCal. There was recently a 35 vehicle recovery in Chicago (now the #1 city for shear number of stolen cars) and a 17 vehicle recovery in San Diego - DUE TO LOJACK - these were professionals!

Police will ALWAYS investigate/track a stolen car when possible (due to LoJack) - it's a felonly and it leads to solving other crimes (bank robberies, abductions, kidnappings, drugs, etc). I challenge you to find an officer that says otherwise. In South Florida, there are MULTI-vehicle recoveries on ships due to ONE LoJack. It wouldn't be part of NYPD's training at the academy and tracking units in over 50 helicopters in SoCal if it wasn't VERY successful.

Alarms? Please - professionals can either disable any alarm OR just tow the vehicle. About 75% of vehicles recovered with LoJack have some sort of anti-theft system installed.

It is NOT a satellite signal - it is a FM radio signal. It cannot be easily blocked or hidden from as satellite can.

You want to depend on Insurance? Many companies discount for LoJack. Some waive up to 33% of the entire premium, others waive up to $1,000 of the DEDUCTABLE! Some of these companies WILL NOT discount for alarms.

Do you want your car back in 2 hours or 2 weeks with an average of $6,000+ in damage, only to be "repaired". YOU DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. And if you think insurance will cut you a check for MSRP to replace your car, you've got some homework to do.
Thanks for the info. I didn't realize it wasn't satellite. I always heard it was. Good correction.

Every insurance company I called said they don't reduce premiums for LoJack. Where did you find one? I am in the market to switch and would love to hear who offers discounts.

As far as police always retrieving a LoJack car... that's not entirely the case. Each jurisdiction has the right to break off pursuit if a chase begins. Life is more important than property.

I am curious about your statement about recovery in two hours with NO DAMAGE. How do you know that? If someone redlines your Z the entire time, then there is long term damage. Sure, the insurance company will have nothing to fix, but your Z would have been run hard. I do like your point that you will get your Z back, either in 2 hours or 2 weeks. That is a good point. Either they run your Z hard for 2 hours or much, much longer. Good observation.

I still cannot decide. I am leaning towards getting it, though. $500 isn't too much to spend on a recovery system.

My original though stands though... if someone steals my Z, it may be best to never get it back.
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Old Nov 4, 2002 | 07:39 PM
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Default Re: How LoJack works....

Originally posted by Deuuuce
A stolen vehicle report is filed with the police.

The very act of the police entering the vehicle as stolen in their computer system (and NCIC) AUTOMATICALLY activates the LoJack in the vehicle - much like a pager.

The police DO NOT call LoJack to activate it. It's a completely automated system that occurs within seconds.

I don't know where you are getting your information, but it is not correct. Police Departments (Virginia) enter stolen vehicle information into NCIC and VCIN (Va Crime Information Network)when it's reported. They do not have a direct link to LoJack. The vehicle owner must inform the police that they have LoJack on their car. The police then call LoJack to activate the system.

Where are you getting your information?

Don't get me wrong, I think LoJack is great insurance that you will "probably" get your car back. However, I don't think anyone should think that as soon as your car is gone LoJack is going to know and the police will be out tracking it.
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Old Nov 5, 2002 | 04:04 PM
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another bit of info that I find interesting (got this from the dealer, so discount as may be appropriate). She sez car thieves will sometimes take a car, & dump it somewhere (maybe a parking lot someplace) & then watch it for a couple of days. If noone shows up, apparently no lo-jack & off it goes. maybe an interesting true fact.
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Old Nov 5, 2002 | 04:55 PM
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After reading all this, LoJack sounds like it may be good to get.

I have a question though...

Where do they put it? I know they have many locations to choose from, but I am referring to cabin, trunk, under hood? Do I, the owner, get to know where it is?

Let me explain where I am going with this...

Even if LoJack is the perfect item to get, does the installer rip apart your car and hide it somewhere? If so, I don't want it. I have had bad experiences with 3rd party installers removing parts of moldings, etc., only to damage it. I am talking about little screwdriver nicks, bends, etc. Even a very small scratch is unacceptable.

If, however, this is under the hood somewhere, that is no problem.

Any thoughts? As of right now, I am frightened at the thought of someone ripping apart my Z.

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Old Nov 5, 2002 | 04:58 PM
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: They have sold over 2 million units and have had OVER 50,000 recoveries to date.

I know Lojack's price must have fluxuated over it's lifetime, but if we say it's $700 per install, that means Lojack users have spent 1.4 billion dollars to recover 50,000 vehicles, some of which may have been recovered anyway? That doesn't seem right.
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Old Nov 5, 2002 | 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by nbdyfcnsqnc
if we say it's $700 per install, that means Lojack users have spent 1.4 billion dollars to recover 50,000 vehicles, some of which may have been recovered anyway? That doesn't seem right.
That sums up insurance.

LoJack is insurance, plain and simple. Insurance you will supposedly have a better chance at getting your Z back quicker than without it.

This sounds a lot like the extended warranty dilemma. For LoJack, do you live in an area that you think your Z will get stolen. Better yet, do you travel to areas that are high risk. I have been vacillating on the LoJack issue. It seems like the #1 cars are not sports cars and expensive exotics, but Honda Accords and Toyota Corollas. This is because there is a market for their parts. There is no such market for the Z's parts yet. Also, if my Z is stolen, it will be pretty easy to spot on the street. (by police, not necessarily me). We have to remember that LoJack does not have a GPS onboard, nor does it provide pinpoint locations. Only that it is in the relative area.

In the end, I am not sure if I am getting LoJack or not.
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Old Nov 5, 2002 | 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by ToddLuc
After reading all this, LoJack sounds like it may be good to get.

I have a question though...

Where do they put it? I know they have many locations to choose from, but I am referring to cabin, trunk, under hood? Do I, the owner, get to know where it is?

Let me explain where I am going with this...

Even if LoJack is the perfect item to get, does the installer rip apart your car and hide it somewhere? If so, I don't want it. I have had bad experiences with 3rd party installers removing parts of moldings, etc., only to damage it. I am talking about little screwdriver nicks, bends, etc. Even a very small scratch is unacceptable.

If, however, this is under the hood somewhere, that is no problem.

Any thoughts? As of right now, I am frightened at the thought of someone ripping apart my Z.

Regards,
Todd
Todd, it sounds that if you are that picky about other folks messing with your car, then Lo-Jack is NOT for you. Part of the premise of LJ is that you, the owner, do NOT know where the unit is located. That prevents YOU from being suspect of deactivating the tracking unit and defrauding LJ of the insurance guarantee when your vehicle "is not recovered" while you have sold it for a tidy sum or have moved the vehicle to another state to drive. Part of the LJ scheme is that only they know where the unit is located in your car. You are NOT supposed to know where, which presumes that the unit is likely to be hidden behind an interior closeout panel or otherwise hidden enough that normal car maintenance will not disturb the unit. Thats the way the system is designed to work.
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