Lost control in my Z today.
Originally Posted by roast
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base models are less likely to get an amateur in trouble...
regardless... the kid is 18 and could get himself in trouble in a yugo....
base models are less likely to get an amateur in trouble...
regardless... the kid is 18 and could get himself in trouble in a yugo....
Originally Posted by WYZIWYG
Thank God for TCS, I lost count of how many times it saved me...
OP should've gotten an Enthusiast model
OP should've gotten an Enthusiast model

Originally Posted by KornerCarver
Hey...........take it easy on the old folks. I also have a Base and have never lost control of it.
Les
Les

I've gotten sideways in 3rd with the tcs off going in a straight line, so I'd say it'd be easy to spin a base model around a corner...
Just a suggestion here: u know, it helps if all the less experienced Z drivers would at least do an hour of laps around their local circuits. this is so that they can check their Z's limits during highspeed driving... who knows, it might save someone's life/Z one day.
ofcourse i'm not trying to sound like a pro or smthing but i feel this is still the best way if you drive the Z really hard on public roads.
peace!
ofcourse i'm not trying to sound like a pro or smthing but i feel this is still the best way if you drive the Z really hard on public roads.
peace!
^^I agree, although I think one should avoid driving "really hard" on public roads anyway. Even if your the best driver in the world, your still dealing with all the other drivers (who amy not be the best drivers in the world), pedestrians, children, and elderly folk.
Originally Posted by Nexx
lack of lsd can contribute to a spin out when driven by a noobie. 

With an open differential, if you're on the gas around a tight turn and apply too much throttle.... your inside tire spins, your outside tire with all of the traction stays firmly planted, and you stay on right on course. No rotation. You also have a slower maximum exit speed because you can't put the power down where you can use it.
If you have a LSD in that same turn, more power is delivered to the outside tire that has more traction. If that tire breaks traction, guess what? You rotate. If you don't know what you're doing, the results will be ugly.
This is not to say you can't make a car with an open differential rotate, it's just the dynamics are much different. (and safer)
Most 18 year old noobs don't know how to properly handle a car traveling in a straight line, much less one that is rotating.
Originally Posted by roast
No offense, but my guess is that you don't know the difference between a LSD and an open differential. The truth is the exact opposite of what you just stated.
With an open differential, if you're on the gas around a tight turn and apply too much throttle.... your inside tire spins, your outside tire with all of the traction stays firmly planted, and you stay on right on course. No rotation. You also have a slower maximum exit speed because you can't put the power down where you can use it.
If you have a LSD in that same turn, more power is delivered to the outside tire that has more traction. If that tire breaks traction, guess what? You rotate. If you don't know what you're doing, the results will be ugly.
This is not to say you can't make a car with an open differential rotate, it's just the dynamics are much different. (and safer)
Most 18 year old noobs don't know how to properly handle a car traveling in a straight line, much less one that is rotating.
With an open differential, if you're on the gas around a tight turn and apply too much throttle.... your inside tire spins, your outside tire with all of the traction stays firmly planted, and you stay on right on course. No rotation. You also have a slower maximum exit speed because you can't put the power down where you can use it.
If you have a LSD in that same turn, more power is delivered to the outside tire that has more traction. If that tire breaks traction, guess what? You rotate. If you don't know what you're doing, the results will be ugly.
This is not to say you can't make a car with an open differential rotate, it's just the dynamics are much different. (and safer)
Most 18 year old noobs don't know how to properly handle a car traveling in a straight line, much less one that is rotating.
Now I autocross the same Z with a Quaife LSD. Much, much, better.
BTW a standard LSD will put more power to the outside wheel than an open diff. But only a Quaife (or ATB LSD) will put more power to the outside wheel than the inside wheel on the same car. Most LSD's simply lock (at some point) and split the power 50/50-ish.
Originally Posted by SargentZ
Then you're not driving hard enough. 
I've gotten sideways in 3rd with the tcs off going in a straight line, so I'd say it'd be easy to spin a base model around a corner...

I've gotten sideways in 3rd with the tcs off going in a straight line, so I'd say it'd be easy to spin a base model around a corner...
Originally Posted by SargentZ
Then you're not driving hard enough. 
I've gotten sideways in 3rd with the tcs off going in a straight line, so I'd say it'd be easy to spin a base model around a corner...

I've gotten sideways in 3rd with the tcs off going in a straight line, so I'd say it'd be easy to spin a base model around a corner...
Oh thats right, you have an enthusiast.
I don't believe this... Every other person who does this blames the tires, the suspension, the fact that its the third Tuesday of the month or some other lame excuse. Thank you for being the first honest person in quite some time to actually accept that you made a mistake.
Also, sorry about the car and I'm glad you're okay...
Also, sorry about the car and I'm glad you're okay...






