How similar is the 350z 6 speed to the S2000?
08-25-2002, 07:36 PM
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How similar is the 350z 6 speed to the S2000?
I know this question had been posed before, but i cannot find the thread anymore! I recently test drove 2 s2000s, and it was incredible. i was blown away by the manual transmission - the cluth was light, and the short throws were amazing. A joy to drive! I read that nissan were trying to copy honda in that respect. can anyone who has their z, and has driven an s2000 comment? 
08-25-2002, 09:09 PM
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they're quite different. one is a high-strung, high revving, light, convertible and the other is a torquey (engine is 75% bigger), more 'relaxed' approach to power and speed, the z would be easier and more forgiving to drive fast. that's not saying the s2k is necessarily more fun than the 350z, it's really a matter of preference..
08-25-2002, 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by Dr Bonz
Not to mention that the Z looks INFINITLY better than the Stook.
Not to mention that the Z looks INFINITLY better than the Stook.
but i'd expect that response on this board...just like how i expect the exact opposite response on s2ki.com.
i know the s2000 is a high revving machine, and really, the lack of torque left me feeling a little empty....but overall i was VERY impressed with the steering and transmission. more specifically, i am talking about the feel of the clutch and the shifter. how different is the feel of the clutch and the shifter of the 350z from the s2k?
08-26-2002, 02:13 AM
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i agree
Those people obviously never drove an S2000 and are just talking from some magazines they have read. About a week ago i would agree with them. But since i also test-drove the S2000 a few days ago, i too was blown away. That car drives amazing, and had the best shifting feel ive ever felt. Those people didnt answer the question, and neither can i since ive never driven the 350Z yet. But i hear it alos has a short throw shifter, whether it will be as good, we have yet to see. Hopeflly it will. The S2000 is an amazing car, lets see how much better the Z is!!
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08-26-2002, 05:45 AM
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Not tranny related, but the S2000 is geared too tall. I own one, so I've spent extensive time with it. I'm swapping a 4.44:1 final drive for the stock 4.1:1 final drive in an effort to get more VTEC, more of the time.
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ok...
Ok im familiar with ratios, although i dont know what that means? Will you get more power from lower revs? Rev faster? higher, lower redline? I dunno? Also, have you driven the 350Z yet? And last but not least, your lucky for having the S2000 because its also one hell of a car!
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08-26-2002, 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by S2kRob
Not tranny related, but the S2000 is geared too tall. I own one, so I've spent extensive time with it. I'm swapping a 4.44:1 final drive for the stock 4.1:1 final drive in an effort to get more VTEC, more of the time.
Not tranny related, but the S2000 is geared too tall. I own one, so I've spent extensive time with it. I'm swapping a 4.44:1 final drive for the stock 4.1:1 final drive in an effort to get more VTEC, more of the time.
08-26-2002, 09:28 AM
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Re: ok...
Originally posted by Slexis200
Ok im familiar with ratios, although i dont know what that means? Will you get more power from lower revs? Rev faster? higher, lower redline? I dunno? Also, have you driven the 350Z yet? And last but not least, your lucky for having the S2000 because its also one hell of a car!
-Josh
Ok im familiar with ratios, although i dont know what that means? Will you get more power from lower revs? Rev faster? higher, lower redline? I dunno? Also, have you driven the 350Z yet? And last but not least, your lucky for having the S2000 because its also one hell of a car!
-Josh
fatboy: sorry never driven either so can't answer your question.
08-26-2002, 09:29 AM
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I finally got to drive my friend's S2000 today on some twisty roads that I normally drive to work (usually drive a Toyota Paseo). I have my Z on pre-order and haven't driven it yet, so I can't comment on the Z itself, but if it is close to the S2000 than it should be excellent.
I found the shifting in the S2000 to be excellent, but I thought the clutch travel was long. It seemed almost as long as the travel in my Ford Ranger, and was definitely longer and heavier than the travel in the Paseo. I was actually expecting the clutch to be lighter and shorter in the S2000 than it actually was.
I have recently driven my mom's new altima (2.5s instead of 3.5 though) with the manual, and the clutch in the Altima was similar in feel the the S2000. My guess is the Z's clutch will be no longer or heavier than the one in the Altima, so I am guessing that it will be similar to the clutch in the S2000.
The reviews I have read that compare the S2000 to the Z seem to indicate that the S2000's (edit: I mean Z's) shifter is slightly less wonderful than the S2000's shifter, but only marginally so.
Hopefully I'll get to do a more in depth, back to back comparison when I finally get my car in october.
-D'oh!
I found the shifting in the S2000 to be excellent, but I thought the clutch travel was long. It seemed almost as long as the travel in my Ford Ranger, and was definitely longer and heavier than the travel in the Paseo. I was actually expecting the clutch to be lighter and shorter in the S2000 than it actually was.
I have recently driven my mom's new altima (2.5s instead of 3.5 though) with the manual, and the clutch in the Altima was similar in feel the the S2000. My guess is the Z's clutch will be no longer or heavier than the one in the Altima, so I am guessing that it will be similar to the clutch in the S2000.
The reviews I have read that compare the S2000 to the Z seem to indicate that the S2000's (edit: I mean Z's) shifter is slightly less wonderful than the S2000's shifter, but only marginally so.
Hopefully I'll get to do a more in depth, back to back comparison when I finally get my car in october.
-D'oh!
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08-26-2002, 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by fatboydeepak
wouldn't this be bad for your engine? running in vtec more often would mean more fuel consumption and more stress on the engine, no? also, wouldn't changing when vtec engages void your warranty?
wouldn't this be bad for your engine? running in vtec more often would mean more fuel consumption and more stress on the engine, no? also, wouldn't changing when vtec engages void your warranty?
but changing the final drive would most likely void the warranty (at least on the transmission, but the dealer would probably blame everything else on it as well.)
08-26-2002, 08:33 PM
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Changing the final drive will not affect the rev difference between gear changes, either. That's a function of the ratios of each gear. Changing all the ratios to be closer together will have that effect but obviously be much more expensive and often counter-productive. Changing the final drive ratio will let you accelerate quicker in a given gear however you'll be going slower and have a lower top speed in that gear.
I assume he changed the final to be able to get into the vtec range at more legal speeds in lower gears. The Z has very different power characteristics and appears to be geared appropriately to match the more leisurely engine.
I assume he changed the final to be able to get into the vtec range at more legal speeds in lower gears. The Z has very different power characteristics and appears to be geared appropriately to match the more leisurely engine.
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I too have found the S2000 transmission to be the best I have ever encountered. I am considering purchase of the 350Z, G35 based upon how good the tranny compares. To me this is a very important aspect. We will see. I have found that the 6 speed Acura CL (also will be available on the 03 Accord coupe) to be excellent. That is my fallback position.
08-26-2002, 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by S2kRob
Not tranny related, but the S2000 is geared too tall. I own one, so I've spent extensive time with it. I'm swapping a 4.44:1 final drive for the stock 4.1:1 final drive in an effort to get more VTEC, more of the time.
Not tranny related, but the S2000 is geared too tall. I own one, so I've spent extensive time with it. I'm swapping a 4.44:1 final drive for the stock 4.1:1 final drive in an effort to get more VTEC, more of the time.
08-26-2002, 09:25 PM
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hmmm
I drove the altima clutch, wasnt very impressed, but i think the Z will be much better, much shorter, and more precise. The altima's isnt advertised as a short throw, (like the S2000) Im sure it will be great even if its not as good as the S2000. They both have there pluses and minuses, you cant go wrong with eaither car, i cant honestley say one is better than the other, except in one category! The extirior of the Z is really hot! slightly better than the S2000. Interior, well im not sure yet.........
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08-27-2002, 04:28 AM
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Hey guys,
Sorry to have hijacked this thread, but, yes, I'm aware of the consequences of changing the final drive ratio.
However, the stock S2000 is geared for over 170.2 mph at the 9200rpm fuel cutoff. Dropping to a 4.44 ratio drops the top speed to 157.8 mph at fuel cut off.
Honestly, how many times are you going to go over 158mph? I'm not sure the S2000 with stock engine can even hit 158mph in the first place, so you may actually increase the topend by allowing the motor to wind out more.
As for fuel economy, I'm not overly concerned with that one. It's not like the car gets great fuel economy in the first place, and anyone buying the S2000 or the 350Z for economy needs to rethink their purchase!
If anyone is interested, I've got a full spreadsheet of available S2000 gear ratio calculations.
I bet that the 350Z will have a wide variety of final drives available in a pretty short time.
Sorry to have hijacked this thread, but, yes, I'm aware of the consequences of changing the final drive ratio.
However, the stock S2000 is geared for over 170.2 mph at the 9200rpm fuel cutoff. Dropping to a 4.44 ratio drops the top speed to 157.8 mph at fuel cut off.
Honestly, how many times are you going to go over 158mph? I'm not sure the S2000 with stock engine can even hit 158mph in the first place, so you may actually increase the topend by allowing the motor to wind out more.
As for fuel economy, I'm not overly concerned with that one. It's not like the car gets great fuel economy in the first place, and anyone buying the S2000 or the 350Z for economy needs to rethink their purchase!
If anyone is interested, I've got a full spreadsheet of available S2000 gear ratio calculations.
I bet that the 350Z will have a wide variety of final drives available in a pretty short time.
08-27-2002, 05:09 AM
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If the 350Z's shifter is as good (or even close to) as the S2000's, then it is going to be spectacular. I haven't driven the Z, but the shifter in the S2000 is amazing. On my first shift, I thought I had somehow missed 2nd and was in between 2nd and 4th. Nope, it was in 2nd alright, but the throw was so short I just couldn't believe it. Same thing happened on 2nd to 3rd. Amazing.
Like someone else said, I thought the clutch travel could be shortened a bit on the S2000, so the Z may be better in that department.
The Miata has one of the best feeling transmissions out there. I'd like to hear someone compare the Z's tranny to the Miata's.
Like someone else said, I thought the clutch travel could be shortened a bit on the S2000, so the Z may be better in that department.
The Miata has one of the best feeling transmissions out there. I'd like to hear someone compare the Z's tranny to the Miata's.
08-27-2002, 08:11 AM
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I haven't driven an S2000, but I did just drive a 6spd touring and thought the shift and clutch action were fantastic. Short and not notchy at all, even into first while rolling. The gates are very well defined there's virtually no play. The clutch is very linear and appropriately weighted.
One thing I did notice is that the accelerator is way too far from brake.. got my size 13 stuck between the two while trying to heel/toe! I'll need some pedal extensions. Otherwise there was plenty of room in the pedal box. On a lot of cars the top of my shoe will sometimes catch on trim or other parts while lifting off the brake, no problem here.
One thing I did notice is that the accelerator is way too far from brake.. got my size 13 stuck between the two while trying to heel/toe! I'll need some pedal extensions. Otherwise there was plenty of room in the pedal box. On a lot of cars the top of my shoe will sometimes catch on trim or other parts while lifting off the brake, no problem here.
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