suspension setup, engine technology. your comparing 2 engines the use 14-18PSI of boost to match another engines NA power.

subaru chose to go a bit in the middle, raised the displacement and went with a aluminum block. nissan is 100% towards displacement and technology for its power. while mitsu is 100% toward bullet proof steel block and internals. this is the same method SRT4 and supra used. its proven true, and offers great potential. its heavy though, and impractical for V6 applications, its too heavy.

obvious question why does the "heavy" engine evo outhandle the aluminum subby? no frickin clue. weight savings in other areas I guess.

could nissan turbo it, boost it to 400ish hp. drop some weight, take the price up to 50k using 20k for the turbo and handling. maybe.... it would go right up against the Z06 and do nicely Id imagine. problem is "nicely" is maybe 50% of the sales which are what, 5000 a year for the Z06? the market is pretty small and nissans in the market to make money still.

 

and the Z is a more "all around" type of power. I came from vetc and it's sweet too but the Guy who lead development of the Z said he didn't want an all or nothing type of power.

 

I don't think the vehicle you propose is marketable. In order to drop the weight, you'd need to drop features. Who is going to pay an extra $23,000 (over the base price) for a vehicle that has fewer creature comforts and doesn't have an image badge (like Porsche or Ferarri) on the hood.

I imagine that the platform is going to see at least a V8 or a turbo 6 for the G35 (G45, G35T, or GT-R?) and possibly a turbo 6 (or less likely a V8) for the Z. This will come as a response to the release of the Supra to try to steal their thunder.

 

Good points, but . . . the 'vette drops weight from lightweight high tech materials and components, as does the z to some extent, although more could be had in that dep't for the z.

For example, I simply switched to the Nismo lightweight flywheel, which granted, made it take just a bit more "goosing" of the throttle to get going from a stop (Nissan's thinking from a Sales standpoint). But on the otherhand, it saved nearly 10 lbs of ROTATING MASS (which can roughly equal 100 lbs. of "static" weight). So multiply that accordingly.

Also saved nearly that much static weight by going with the Kinetix v4 intake and while that's not unsprung weight or rotating mass, that's weight at a high center of gravity (another multiplier). The Rays 18" forged ultralight's on this track make a big diff. on Unsprung Weight as well as Rotating Mass (multipliers of "static" weight).

weight

unsprung weight

rotating mass

SO many reasons you CAN'T go by (motor) hp & torque alone !!!

 

ps . . . i got creamed by an older supra turbo w/ overboosted turbo ON DRAG but when we kicked it from around 60 or so he shot in front of me and waved me goodbye in his rear view mirror (like i used to do all the time on my overboosted 300z turbo), but lo and behold . . .

He stayed in it and so did I for just a moment beyond what seemed like certain victory for him, but the z came through slowly but surely and by 120 i had not only caught up with him (in the ADJACENT lane; no "drafting" ok?) but then i passed him.

A half-mile or so down the road he tried to overtake me from here again an adjacent lane (no drafting) from around 70 and almost made it but had to get over behind me due to a truck in the right lane (gave him the drafting advantage but . .) I walked on away from him 1, 2, 3, 4 + car lengths !

Now with the srt4, that's TWO MODDED tubo's i've killed at higher speeds !

The Supra dude pulled me over when i saw him later and said he had been all over the 'net trying to find out what kinda' z he just raced. He had a long kill list, but here again, it's a "torque war" on low end and a "hp war" on top end.

Which iz wy i can't wait to get the 3:917's !!! (shifts some of the top end hp down into the low end torque range where the z lacks most in comp. to v8's & even FI 4's like srt4's . . .)

 

NObody so far has mentioned the I-word . . . INSUANCE !!!

My '84 300 zx turbo came with only 200 HP !!! Yet it had a "symbol 15" rating insurance-wise just like the current-day Porsche!

Cha- CHING !!!

I"M GLAD Nissan turned to variable cams & lightweight materials & more tech. to do the job. (about 500 lbs lighter than the tt 300z! although i can't deny the turbo's low cost high hp options . . .)

My '84 turbo was crowned with an intercooler and an electronic boost controller among other things, and the torque bursts were phenomenal but the turbo lag and daily driver eccentricities thereof made it a drag to put up with day to day (no pun intended). Wide open racing with fully-spooled turbo was great, but otherwise . . . (even then i had high hp n/a's creeping back up by me right before i shifted!)

 

Another point of view...

The 350Z is the first "Z" since the 280Z. After that you had the 280ZX and 300ZX. Both of those models added fluff and offered turbo versions.

Part of the intent of the 350Z was to return to the "Z" car roots. So, look at it this way - was the 240Z turbocharged? Nope.

Add to the all the other factors that have been mentioned.

 

The 240, 260, and 280 were all based on the same body style.

The '84 300 was the next major change and total departure.

Next came the wide-body style in the 90's which was another total redesign which had only a few years lifespan. Then the z died . . .

But lo and behold . . . it was RESURRECTED!!! (Dramatic music plays in background) And reincarnated into a totally new from the ground up design, even more so than before.

My brother had a (modded) 260. I had a (modded) 300 turbo. A friend has a 300 tt. I now have a (modded) 350z Track.

Long live the ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ !!!

 

This 04.5 cost twice as much as the 84 turbo (loaded), but it's at LEAST twice as much car!!!

 

Bumping old threads up....

 

Sorry . . . wasn't paying much attention to the dates, just the subject matter!

I saw some fairly recent responses, so . . .

 

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Nice first post...

 

Welcome to the forums. Don't resurrect old threads unless you have some new point of view or additional important information to elaborate on the subject.

Sorry for acting like a moderator. But you all know I'm right.

 

ill resurect it too by saying that i think that its pretty impressive that the z06 weighs under3100lbs with that heaxy *** 427