Your statement is a generalization of all turbos and is a common misconception in general.

If you did then you would know that... an engine with a properly matched turbo has no noticeable lag. Or that lag can be virtually eliminated with tuning, gear ratios, and proper supporting mods. Plenty of owners here who have gone down to a 3.3 FD just to stay in boost longer since the 3.5 is too short. Oh that's right turbo causes the engine to tach out quicker which is why they would want longer gearing. How about all the various types and size of turbos? Ever owned a twin scroll turbo?

Some lag is actually good, for example a t517z turbo on a K20z3 engine causes the car to buck at 2.3k rpms due to the torque kicking in at such a low rpms. Horrible for daily driving.

But what do I know? errrrr...

 

I hope are you not associating turbo Z's to illegal highway pulls.

 

Blur is a track junky.

 

A second is a long time in a race. Would you notice the difference if your 0-60 took a second longer?

Not to mention, the weight, the added complexity, the muffled engine note, the cost to do it right.... again my car has 170K miles, it would be stupid to turbo it without a rebuild. I'd rather use the money for the turbo & all the work to support it on other parts of the car that are more important to me. If HP is all that matters buy a Mustang or DSM.

 

Have you ridden in an OEM turbo car lately? Specifically a 335I?

Go drive your NA in high elevations.....you'll wish you had a turbo



Maybe you should ride in a car with a tweaked turbo timer...no lag will be felt.

 

I drove a 335i last week. It disappointed me. There wasn't any lag, but there wasn't any top end either, and it was heavy as ****. Definitely didn't feel as responsive as my Z, even though it supposedly makes like 30-40 more HP. I was hoping to get a 335i to replace the Z once we have kids but aside from the steering I wasn't crazy about the driving experience.

 

I'm figuring to turbo the Z right you'd have to spend a good $8-10K

Id def put that money elsewhere. Thats damn near enough to buy everything I want

New shortblock + intake + plenum spacer + headers + HFCs + exhaust + UpRev tune
LW flywheel + new clutch
Z34 Akebono BBK + SS brake lines
Bilstein B12 coilovers
LW 19x9/10s with 255/275 35s
Painted CF hatch

That seems like a much more complete/comprehensive build than a turbo kit with stock everything else. A decent bit lighter too

 

I'd rather build a 1g or 2g talon/eclipse on the stock lower end and call it a 12 second sleeper.
Beamers are nice, but I don't want to labeled a douchebag by the masses.

 

you are just a grumpy butt. you complain about top end like the z has it. only the her retains some top end but still dives a bit. so even with no lag it did not Impress the mighty...ok.


neither option is cheap. na hp is more per hp than fi. only a handful of amazing an builds on here. everyone else is making around 300 whp on de and a bit more on hrs.

we get that fi Isn't for you but your reasoning is full of holes. keep us updated on your na build.

 

i understand that you can reduce turbo lag by a good amount, but to completely eliminate the lag, i understand that the turbine needs to be spooling at idle somehow (err that would be a supercharger instead?) or spend a decent sum to try to smooth out the power curve. but to be honest, that's a lot of "investment" to put into a 10 years old car.

and speaking of generalization, the comment i originally addressed wasn't one?

the most recent OEM turbo car i had driven was a 06 mini cooper s.... the lag was just bad that i want to kill myself when being stuck in traffic. another one i had driven was a volvo s40, don't remember what year, it was better than the mini in terms of lag, but i still don't enjoy driving it around.

well, given those are older OEM turbo cars, my experience could be outdated. but to be fair, the z isn't new either.

also why is there a need to convince me to change my personal preference against turbo? you like turbo? ok, i don't like it, but i never felt the need to change your preference. you can deal with turbo lag? good for you and i'm just telling you i can't and just don't want to bother with it.... life must be so hard for you when there are so many NA cars out there and you have to convince all of them that they "need" a turbo.... i don't get it

 

didn't 2006 mcs only come in supercharged?

no one is convincing you to buy a turbo. just laughing at your veiled attempt to not want one based on lag when. it is truly you being a cheapass.

 

You need to just stop. Superchargers do NOT make boost or is "spoolin" at idle. The low rpms, 0 throttle, 0 load creates 0 psi, the motor is in vacuum, with both supercharger and turbo. And to say a supercharged Mini Cooper has turbo lag, I have to restate my original statement. Your lack of experience and knowledge with turbo and superchargers is showing.

I'm not trying to convince you or the OP of going turbo. It's the false information that keeps getting spread around here that makes this a more Honda-like forum. Most of the advice the tenured members have given are accurate.

The OP should be caring more about keeping the car running at 170k than worrying about making more power.

 

errr, i might have mistaken the year of the mini, but nonetheless, it's a turbo'ed S, the turbo lag on that tiny car is horrible. and if you insist that mistaken the year means i didn't know i drove a turbo'ed or supercharged car, err ok? supercharged car has no lag, i don't think that's something to argue here... i'm not sure what you are getting at there. and there are other reasons for me not wanting a turbo setup. just happens that the lag was one that i hated most.

and i guess apparently according to cux, not caring about adding turbo to the car is now "cheapass"? ok

i also think OP mentioned he didn't want more power...?

anyway, to end this pointless discussion on my personal preference of NA over turbo, i'll just say "TURBO MASTER RACE!!1111!1!1"


edit: and i just look it up, gen2 mini s started production in late 06, which is the one that comes with turbo....soooooooo yup...

 

I'm getting a serious case of deja vu here. Where have I seen this conversation before?

 

What holes? Like I said I would be OK with a little more noise + response and the same power. The Z is quick enough for me. So turbo isn't really necessary. If I were going to drop 10K into a build the last thing I would ever do is go turbo.

And I'm not "grumpy"... everyone has different ideas on how to improve on the Z. Cool. But what you want isn't necessarily what I want. Some people don't like turbos. Some people don't need 100 more HP for the Z to be fun. Etc etc. Different strokes. Not a difficult concept.

 

Correction. "You can't improve perfection". The Z was already great from the factory. Some people just can't appreciate what they have or modding it for a hobby or tracking it (also a hobby).

 

I have to agree with accordy on some levels. I like my Z for it's clean smooth looks, and relatively comfortable ride. I don't need ghey spoilers and body kits or extra horsepower. I like the very inexpensive and subtle details as opposed to expensive crap that will inevitably leave me wanting more while also sacrificing reliability. If I wanted a fast car I would've purchased a fast car.
Where I live, this car already gets a lot more attention than I'm comfortable with.

 

Exactly. This is what I was trying to get at in the first post. Part of me wants to mod the car because I just like to mod cars, but part of me also realizes the car is so great some mods could make it worse, or just be a huge waste of money. So I am super tentative on what to do, looking only to play it very safe.

 

I have an 06 ZR that is NA with headers that I love the power delivery and love the car with other mods that suit me. When people feel they have to justify their choices or or tell others their choices are wrong its all down hill fro there.Enjoy what you like and call it a day. Of course this is still JMO.

 

This is how I feel about my 07 Z & I had an 03 G coupe with literally every bolt-on part available. The 07-08 cars are very good stock, reliable, and cost relatively little to own.