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Old Mar 22, 2004 | 04:12 PM
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Can someone email it to me? chris_k@***.net

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Old Mar 22, 2004 | 05:51 PM
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Since no one's mentioned it yet, I have to point out that every download and copy of the service manual is a violation of international law that subjects the person providing the copy, and possibly the owner of this board, to civil and criminal penalties. There's nothing stopping Nissan from launching some lawsuits the way the RIAA sued music downloaders.

Ask yourself if you would walk into a dealership and steal a $200 part off their shelf. No? You're not a thief? Well, if you've downloaded one of these illegal copies, that's exactly what you've done.

If you really need a copy of the service manual, walk into your dealership and buy the CD (or books) legally.

Ripping off Nissan for a $200 manual is a crime, not a gift.

Off to put on my asbestos suit...
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Old Mar 23, 2004 | 08:28 AM
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Of course it's a crime. I accept that fact. If everyone that is a member on this board downloaded the manual instead of buying it (assuming they would normally buy it) that would be about $5 Million (25,000 x $200). Considering Nissans operating profit, thats a drop in the bucket. And I know everyone here has NEVER done anything illegal before.
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Old Mar 23, 2004 | 08:46 AM
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Originally posted by commasense
Since no one's mentioned it yet... blah blah "teacher-you-forgot-to-give-us-homework" blah
Well, Jimminy Cricket, that's because no one really cares. But thanks for pointing it out to the two people who weren't aware of the legal problems with such a d/l. I'm sure they feel Just Awful (tm) about it.

Scott (who's certain that you're a very nice person IRL )
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Old Mar 23, 2004 | 08:50 AM
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Stealing from rich people or companies is okay, because they can afford it? So you don't mind if I steal one of your wheels? You can afford a $35,000 car, and the wheel only costs about $500, that's a drop in the bucket. I'll be over at about 3 a.m.

And you also think that once someone has committed any crime, that makes it okay to go off and commit more?
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Old Mar 23, 2004 | 09:21 AM
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Originally posted by commasense
Stealing from rich people or companies is okay, because they can afford it? So you don't mind if I steal one of your wheels? You can afford a $35,000 car, and the wheel only costs about $500, that's a drop in the bucket. I'll be over at about 3 a.m.

And you also think that once someone has committed any crime, that makes it okay to go off and commit more?
Downloading illegally is not "okay" right, legal, or anything like that. But it happens so much there's really nothing you can do about it. It will never stop, so while you may not accept it, it still will happen. I was simply trying look at it in a different kind of way. It's just like the pirated movie/music ordeal. That's not legal by any means, but there's no way to stop it. Call me sick, twisted, wrong, whatever you want...But that's reality. It will happen.

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Old Mar 23, 2004 | 10:14 AM
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Can someone PM me it.

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Old Mar 23, 2004 | 02:45 PM
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I go away for a few days and look what I missed. Could someone PM it to me? Thnks in advance
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Old Mar 23, 2004 | 04:22 PM
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Thanks Nismokid for the link but the file doesn't completely download or something and I get onle a corrupt *.zip file. Anyone else?
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Old Mar 23, 2004 | 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by commasense
Since no one's mentioned it yet, I have to point out that every download and copy of the service manual is a violation of international law that subjects the person providing the copy, and possibly the owner of this board, to civil and criminal penalties. There's nothing stopping Nissan from launching some lawsuits the way the RIAA sued music downloaders.

Ask yourself if you would walk into a dealership and steal a $200 part off their shelf. No? You're not a thief? Well, if you've downloaded one of these illegal copies, that's exactly what you've done.

If you really need a copy of the service manual, walk into your dealership and buy the CD (or books) legally.

Ripping off Nissan for a $200 manual is a crime, not a gift.

Off to put on my asbestos suit...
First, I have never downloaded a CD or even a song from the internet. IMHO the artist spends months, if not years, creating the album, spends years trying to get a record contract and in some cases spends their own money recording the song/cd. While I think record companies, for the most part, are greedy bastards who take advantage of artists, it is usually the artist that suffers in the end from the "illegal" downloading of their music. I don't condemn people who download CDs, I just choose to support the artist by buying their album.

The service manual was created for a Nissan mechanic to work on the car. Since profits from the sale of vehicles has dwindled down in recent years, delearships must make up for the lost revenue in other areas, and the repair department is a logical area. Nissan obviously prefers, and profits, to have their own people use the manual and I believe the outrageous price they charge is to dissuade the car owners and other shops from working on the cars themselves. IMHO, they should give everyone a copy of the disc with the purchase of the car, as they must create the CD for their mechanics anyway.

BTW, Nissan ripping you off for $200 on a $30 repair is a crime too!

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Old Mar 24, 2004 | 06:34 AM
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I got it on the 13th try tahnks guys
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Old Mar 24, 2004 | 07:55 AM
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For those of you who would rather buy it than download it... there's always ebay!

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Old Mar 25, 2004 | 08:10 PM
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can someone PM me it???? Thanks,
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Old Mar 26, 2004 | 06:36 AM
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can anyone send it to me too? Thanks. jin@gmba.co.kr
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Old Mar 26, 2004 | 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by yjin76
can anyone send it to me too? Thanks. jin@gmba.co.kr
DItto dttto...I would like a link too...perty pleaz?
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Old Mar 26, 2004 | 08:19 AM
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can someone email it to me thanks zrocks@rock.com is the emil address
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Old Mar 26, 2004 | 08:24 AM
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Rogers just trying to throw ther RIAA off his tracks.
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Old Mar 26, 2004 | 08:32 AM
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While not condoning theft, I will say that Nissan did it to themselves. I would've paid $60 without thinking about it. That's what my Supra's manual cost me. I would've even paid $100. No way I'm paying $300 which is what one dealer quoted me, especially for a soft copy. If Nissan would charge $90 for a hard copy or $60 for a soft copy, I'll bet most of you would buy it. It's almost like Nissan priced it so people like us wouldn't buy it.

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Old Mar 26, 2004 | 11:30 AM
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Can somone send me a "sample" so I can preview this manual. If it is worthwhile, I will send Nissan a check. Does anyone have the address i should send my money to?

kneedown1974@yahoo.com
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Old Mar 26, 2004 | 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by commasense
Stealing from rich people or companies is okay, because they can afford it? So you don't mind if I steal one of your wheels? You can afford a $35,000 car, and the wheel only costs about $500, that's a drop in the bucket. I'll be over at about 3 a.m.

And you also think that once someone has committed any crime, that makes it okay to go off and commit more?
Actually that's a really bad analogy because someone paid for the wheel, and then has to pay to replace it. In this case, Nissan certainly doesn't have to pay to replace each downloaded copy, and they didn't buy the copy that the downloads originated from.
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