But have those other "brand new cars" also been completely new, from scratch, off-the-drawing-board designs (both Z AND Titan)? You have to expect SOME problems in a completely new design, and even in the first yr of manufacture, Consumer Reports says reliability for the Z has been better than average. I have friends who don't own "lowend" high performance cars (an M3, a Boxster S, and a 911), and they've had more problems with them than I've had w/G35 6MT coupe for 14 mo., and then Z roadster.

Re your points, in order: 1. I wholeheartedly concur. This isn't NNA's fault; you've run into some crappy dealers who've treated you shabbily, and despite your anger, you've let 'em get away w/it and kept coming back for more. Take some assertiveness training and/or get some legal advice on how to represent yourself in small claims court (sue the dealer, not Nissan; please tell me you didn't sign an arbitration agreement when you bought the car).

2. My wife and I have owned 4 high performance cars, and neither of us has EVER had a set of tires last over 15 or 16k mi., and have worn out sets at soon as 10k.

3. Check out other posts on the forum (or forums for high performance cars of other makes), and you'll see that 20k mi. is within the normal range for brake pad replacement.

4. TPS is new technology, forced into service before ready by new federal regs taking effect in the coming years. Again, get on forums for other makes and you'll see that they're ALL full of complaints about crappy sensors (defective; not working at all or misreading pressure) and/or having probs w/vibration, alignment and/or balance due to the TPS.

5. Just by "touching them"? C'mon, dude, it's not that bad; the hardcore modders are constantly grousing about the weight of the car, and if anything, want lighter weight trunk, hood and door panels. Some of them are in a running competition to see how much weight they can REMOVE from the car. "No ding" doors=fat, overweight, sluggish handling.

It's only my opinion, and of course, those are like certain bodily orifices, but you might have been happier w/the Z if you waited a year for them to work out some of the bugs. Even so, I think you probably would have been "happiest" with a slightly less performance-oriented car. I do feel sorry for all the crap you've had to put up with from the dealers (and, let's be honest, "Discount Tire," too), however.

If you trade for a different car, please post and let us know what you got and how you like it. Good luck!

 

U GOT RIPPED OFF

 

alls i got to say is stay away from my car okay? thanks come again lol.

 

That same dealers you went also sell other brands. (probably volvo or others). So, volvo sucks! ?
By the way,
I haven't got any dings. I love the public.
I never stepped on nail. I love my self.
I haven't had any problem with tire pressure. I love nissan.
350z has issues with tire feathering, and I got a full serviced with warranties. I love the dealer.

 

The answer to the original question posted at the beginning of this thread is quite simple. The EVO is way faster, for less money.

 

HAHAHAHA that really cheered me up

No matter how many problems a Z has, it will never look like that!

NzZ

 

EVO's cost more here in SoCal (stupid markup), plus the local dealership (Huntington Beach Mitsu's manager) treated me like crap (wouldn't let me testdrive it b/c I don't look like I can afford it).. he didn't think we were really buying a car .. so we bought one across the street

I like the way the EVO looks .. but Mitsu reliability & customer service (or complete lack of) scares me.

 

All i know is that i have 16K miles on my car and my tires are just like the day i bought it. I mean no "real" significant wear at all. At this rate, i fully expect 50-60K miles out of my tires.

 

Motor Trend tested new EVO RS at 0 - 60 mph in 4.4 seconds. Try that in your 350Z.

Base price of RS is $27,000. It is a stripper with no rear wing, no radio, no carpeting in trunk, wind up windows, etc. It's butt ugly and won't attract the attention of the cops. But it is quicker than a $50,000+ Corvette. Go figure.

 

Good grief! You're either jerking us around (my guess), or you'd need to describe your driving style in a Tirerack survey as "sedated". The way I drive, I put a set of Michelins warranted for 80k miles on an old land barge Olds Toronado I owned, and still blasted thru 'em in 40k. Longest lasting tires of any kind I ever had.

If you get that many miles out of a set of tires on a sports car and you can document it, Nissan and Bridgestone might want to talk to you.

 

Can't deny that the EVO/STi are faster than my Z. Couldn't care less, but can't deny it. Have driven all 3 cars, so I can honestly make that statement.

NzZ

 

I pretty much baby my car. The only time i spin wheels is when playing a round changing into second or third with VDC off and i do this infrequently. I dont "go hit the twisties" every weekend either so im unlike a large percentage of folks on this board. Hence my tires good treadlife. I have none of this "feathering" stuff that folks talk about either.