$35k base price means twice as reliable and half as many recalls
Didn't realize my car was unreliable. Thanks for updating me, b/c wow, I'd have never known my Z was such an unreliable POS. I'm so terribly lucky it hasn't spontaneously combusted! Whew, but now that I know the truth, what do I do? I must do something....or not.
(this is intended to contain at least 47.3% sarcasm)
(this is intended to contain at least 47.3% sarcasm)
I'll add my $0.02 to this. I moved up from a WRX to a Z over a year ago. I love the Z as it offers more of true driving experience than my 04 WRX did. However, I don't think of the Z as a reliable car. Just read the list of all TSBs out there for the Z. It's frighting. Lucky, my Z seems to be a lucky 03 with the original tranny that is holding up pretty well. I also don't beat the **** out of it. I actually learned a lot of good habits on the WRX since AWD drivetrain is a lot less forgiving than RWD.
Anyways, comparing my WRX reliability to my Z, it just didn't have these annoying issues all the time. Why is Nissan struggling with window motors or suspension geometry? This stuff wasn't invented yesterday. The truth is Nissan doesn't care unless it sees its bottom line reduced because of it. We'll continue to put up with this crap because it's bearable.
Overall, I see a trend in Nissan. The cars are fairly reliable but they suffer from these problems because Nissan's general complexity is pretty high. They just shove a lot of stuff into these cars. Look at the new Rouge. It has all sorts of electronic gizmos....some that I see no value in. Just more crap that will break in few years. The new Z will probably be even more complicated and will suffer from the same annoying issues and we'll just put up with it because it's good enough. Personally, I could care less about push start ignition, keyless/touch entry with the key magic, or any other crap that does nothing for me in the end other than adds weight to the car.
My guess the 370Z will be about the same in quality as the 07s. I love my Z but sometimes I wish it was built like an Impreza: if you have 4 wrenches: 10, 12, 14 and 17, you can take 90% of the car apart. Everything is meant to be easily accessible and quickly swappable. But that being said, I wouldn't switch back
Anyways, comparing my WRX reliability to my Z, it just didn't have these annoying issues all the time. Why is Nissan struggling with window motors or suspension geometry? This stuff wasn't invented yesterday. The truth is Nissan doesn't care unless it sees its bottom line reduced because of it. We'll continue to put up with this crap because it's bearable.
Overall, I see a trend in Nissan. The cars are fairly reliable but they suffer from these problems because Nissan's general complexity is pretty high. They just shove a lot of stuff into these cars. Look at the new Rouge. It has all sorts of electronic gizmos....some that I see no value in. Just more crap that will break in few years. The new Z will probably be even more complicated and will suffer from the same annoying issues and we'll just put up with it because it's good enough. Personally, I could care less about push start ignition, keyless/touch entry with the key magic, or any other crap that does nothing for me in the end other than adds weight to the car.
My guess the 370Z will be about the same in quality as the 07s. I love my Z but sometimes I wish it was built like an Impreza: if you have 4 wrenches: 10, 12, 14 and 17, you can take 90% of the car apart. Everything is meant to be easily accessible and quickly swappable. But that being said, I wouldn't switch back
Originally Posted by spf4000
First and second year trannys had some issues, but once they hit the 05 tranny, it was fine. Definitely a driver issue if you continue to shred the synchros.
If I am doing something to cause this, I definately would like to stop it.
Originally Posted by Ziggyrama
I'll add my $0.02 to this. I moved up from a WRX to a Z over a year ago. I love the Z as it offers more of true driving experience than my 04 WRX did. However, I don't think of the Z as a reliable car. Just read the list of all TSBs out there for the Z. It's frighting. Lucky, my Z seems to be a lucky 03 with the original tranny that is holding up pretty well. I also don't beat the **** out of it. I actually learned a lot of good habits on the WRX since AWD drivetrain is a lot less forgiving than RWD.
Anyways, comparing my WRX reliability to my Z, it just didn't have these annoying issues all the time. Why is Nissan struggling with window motors or suspension geometry? This stuff wasn't invented yesterday. The truth is Nissan doesn't care unless it sees its bottom line reduced because of it. We'll continue to put up with this crap because it's bearable.
Overall, I see a trend in Nissan. The cars are fairly reliable but they suffer from these problems because Nissan's general complexity is pretty high. They just shove a lot of stuff into these cars. Look at the new Rouge. It has all sorts of electronic gizmos....some that I see no value in. Just more crap that will break in few years. The new Z will probably be even more complicated and will suffer from the same annoying issues and we'll just put up with it because it's good enough. Personally, I could care less about push start ignition, keyless/touch entry with the key magic, or any other crap that does nothing for me in the end other than adds weight to the car.
My guess the 370Z will be about the same in quality as the 07s. I love my Z but sometimes I wish it was built like an Impreza: if you have 4 wrenches: 10, 12, 14 and 17, you can take 90% of the car apart. Everything is meant to be easily accessible and quickly swappable. But that being said, I wouldn't switch back
Anyways, comparing my WRX reliability to my Z, it just didn't have these annoying issues all the time. Why is Nissan struggling with window motors or suspension geometry? This stuff wasn't invented yesterday. The truth is Nissan doesn't care unless it sees its bottom line reduced because of it. We'll continue to put up with this crap because it's bearable.
Overall, I see a trend in Nissan. The cars are fairly reliable but they suffer from these problems because Nissan's general complexity is pretty high. They just shove a lot of stuff into these cars. Look at the new Rouge. It has all sorts of electronic gizmos....some that I see no value in. Just more crap that will break in few years. The new Z will probably be even more complicated and will suffer from the same annoying issues and we'll just put up with it because it's good enough. Personally, I could care less about push start ignition, keyless/touch entry with the key magic, or any other crap that does nothing for me in the end other than adds weight to the car.
My guess the 370Z will be about the same in quality as the 07s. I love my Z but sometimes I wish it was built like an Impreza: if you have 4 wrenches: 10, 12, 14 and 17, you can take 90% of the car apart. Everything is meant to be easily accessible and quickly swappable. But that being said, I wouldn't switch back

Last edited by Z1 Performance; Aug 11, 2008 at 07:33 AM.
Originally Posted by brooke
(The 350z is one of the most reliable Z cars there has been.)
lol I want what your smoking pal because the 350z was just problems after problems. I spent thousands of dollars having to fix mine because nissan's crappy warranty would not even cover even though they knew of all of the issues with the car... My next car will be the new Toyota Supra.. Better internals, better built, better reliability, better customer service, etc, etc,
Flame on.....
lol I want what your smoking pal because the 350z was just problems after problems. I spent thousands of dollars having to fix mine because nissan's crappy warranty would not even cover even though they knew of all of the issues with the car... My next car will be the new Toyota Supra.. Better internals, better built, better reliability, better customer service, etc, etc,
Flame on.....

How can you make this statement when noone even knows what it looks like muchless specs!!!???
Originally Posted by brooke
Trust me my friend it is coming and it will be alot better of car than nissan could ever build. 

Originally Posted by BobDigi5060
Overall the biggest mistake leading up to the Z33 was that the marketing stradegy may have focused too much on affordability.
Originally Posted by kihun
I was one of those guy from honda-tech who had crazy high compression vtec motor running on my civic si, hatch with type r motor with 1 seat and you know what? I would never ever go back to honda again. Speaking of Z, beautifully designed, well focused on weight distribution and plus you can't beat rear wheel drive. Plus I'm on 80k with no problem.
I believe they fixed transmission problem after 05 or 06 model. Correct me if I am wrong and you can always get your recalls fixed if you still carry warranty. PLEASE if you do not own Z, stop talking **** and go to HONDA-TECH.com
I believe they fixed transmission problem after 05 or 06 model. Correct me if I am wrong and you can always get your recalls fixed if you still carry warranty. PLEASE if you do not own Z, stop talking **** and go to HONDA-TECH.com
The truth hurts guys I know because I was madley in love with mine. Sometimes it felt like I owned an american car due to all of the issues I had with mine and with nissan's Crappy Customer Service to boot... Bottom line if they step-it-up I will consider but doubt it because I know whats coming very soon and trust me it will be worth the wait..
Originally Posted by brooke
The truth hurts guys I know because I was madley in love with mine. Sometimes it felt like I owned an american car due to all of the issues I had with mine and with nissan's Crappy Customer Service to boot... Bottom line if they step-it-up I will consider but doubt it because I know whats coming very soon and trust me it will be worth the wait.. 

bottom line is you have no idea if the Supra will be reliable or not. Hopefully it is, on paper it sounds like a great car
Originally Posted by brooke
I will see if I can dig up some info for you on it...
Originally Posted by brooke
Trust me my friend it is coming and it will be alot better of car than nissan could ever build. 

First off since most everything posted on then internet is opinion, ill give you mine.
Supra's Suck. They do. They were an over priced over weight non handling POS. They had a great engine, but a great engine doesnt make a great car. As far as a new one, I sure hope they make the changes needed to change my perception of them. I am sure they will. You will see a six figure price tag and performance to match. Big deal. And to say that something is better than X company could ever build is just stupid. Chevy could build something that could just make everything be something of shame. What crock.
Ok so your saying that Toyota is not the most Reliable car on the planet and holds it value better than most? If your answer is NO I would start thinking about who is retarded here...
Originally Posted by brooke
Ok so your saying that Toyota is not the most Reliable car on the planet and holds it value better than most? If your answer is NO I would start thinking about who is retarded here...
Nice family portrait btw
Actually, the tranny isues in our Zs have to do with MTs. ATs are flawless.
The only other pet peeves I can think of are the driver's side power window
thingy, the hatch door's struts not doing their job, & the gas door's latch pro-
blem. Other than that, Zs are VERY reliable. No cooling system problems, no
electrical problems, its engine has been awarded as the best one in the auto-
motive industry 13 years running. They are classified as average by CR, main-
ly due to the MT difficulties, & the other 3 issues I just mentioned. Other-
wise, "el no problemo"!
The only other pet peeves I can think of are the driver's side power window
thingy, the hatch door's struts not doing their job, & the gas door's latch pro-
blem. Other than that, Zs are VERY reliable. No cooling system problems, no
electrical problems, its engine has been awarded as the best one in the auto-
motive industry 13 years running. They are classified as average by CR, main-
ly due to the MT difficulties, & the other 3 issues I just mentioned. Other-
wise, "el no problemo"!







