The new red engine start button - love it
10-26-2008, 01:07 AM
#22
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: CA
Posts: 82
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
10-28-2008, 08:46 AM
#25
New Member
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Dover, NH
Posts: 429
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Start button cool?
My first car was a 1963 Plymouth Valiant 4 door sedan powered by a 225 slant six producing a whopping 90 hp! But the coolest thing about it was the push button automatic transmission. Go forward? Push a button. Back up? Push a button. Now that's high tech.
What car has this today?
My first car was a 1963 Plymouth Valiant 4 door sedan powered by a 225 slant six producing a whopping 90 hp! But the coolest thing about it was the push button automatic transmission. Go forward? Push a button. Back up? Push a button. Now that's high tech.
What car has this today?
10-28-2008, 08:55 AM
#26
Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Houston
Posts: 511
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I would like to take an opportunity to address all of the key-use elitists that think that keyless systems are some stupid gimmick. You absolutely could not be more wrong, nor hard headed in your unwillingness to embrace keyless systems.
First of all, you need to define a keyless system as one that does not require the use of an object (metal key or key fob) to enter and start the car. This is not to be confused with BMW's system of inserting a fob into the dash. That is just another key, just not a little metal one that lines up the tumblers.
Now here is why considering a keyless system a gimmick is asinine. Key's (whether metal or otherwise) are nothing more than a way to start the car from the driver's seat instead of cranking the engine by hand. The key itself is a compromise because you needed a way to ensure only the owner could start the car. If that wasn't the case, then all cars would always have come with only a start button and never used keys. The goal is to make it more convenient for the driver. That's it. A key is a convenience. The keyless systems take this same concept (starting the car from the driver's seat) and makes it more convenient. The start button is no more gimmicky than the metal keys that people have been carrying around. They achieve the same thing.
Being stubborn or against something just because you don't want to admit it's cool or useful is stupid. Is using a traditional key so bad? No. But it sure as hell beats cranking an engine by hand. So if you are going to ***** about convenience, then I expect to see a crank handle sticking out the front of your car.
First of all, you need to define a keyless system as one that does not require the use of an object (metal key or key fob) to enter and start the car. This is not to be confused with BMW's system of inserting a fob into the dash. That is just another key, just not a little metal one that lines up the tumblers.
Now here is why considering a keyless system a gimmick is asinine. Key's (whether metal or otherwise) are nothing more than a way to start the car from the driver's seat instead of cranking the engine by hand. The key itself is a compromise because you needed a way to ensure only the owner could start the car. If that wasn't the case, then all cars would always have come with only a start button and never used keys. The goal is to make it more convenient for the driver. That's it. A key is a convenience. The keyless systems take this same concept (starting the car from the driver's seat) and makes it more convenient. The start button is no more gimmicky than the metal keys that people have been carrying around. They achieve the same thing.
Being stubborn or against something just because you don't want to admit it's cool or useful is stupid. Is using a traditional key so bad? No. But it sure as hell beats cranking an engine by hand. So if you are going to ***** about convenience, then I expect to see a crank handle sticking out the front of your car.
Last edited by in.the.dark; 10-28-2008 at 08:57 AM.
10-28-2008, 09:05 AM
#27
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: ATX
Posts: 354
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
^ Well said.
On the other hand, it's ASSinine for BMW to charge $500 extra for their "comfort access" option, that does this in the 3 series.
Or maybe it's just genius, depending on how you look at it. Kind of like their $2400 laser cruise control.
In the G37, it's $1100, and you get the adaptive front lights as well.
WTF, man... wtf...
On the other hand, it's ASSinine for BMW to charge $500 extra for their "comfort access" option, that does this in the 3 series.
Or maybe it's just genius, depending on how you look at it. Kind of like their $2400 laser cruise control.
In the G37, it's $1100, and you get the adaptive front lights as well.
WTF, man... wtf...
10-28-2008, 11:22 AM
#32
My friend has an Infiniti M35x with the Keyless Start.
Its pretty functional. You leave the key in your pocket. When you are in proximit to the door, it unlocks for you. You can then get in the car, put your foot on the brake and simple push the button to start the car.
Removes the whole step of taking out the keys, inserting them and turning the key.
Its pretty functional. You leave the key in your pocket. When you are in proximit to the door, it unlocks for you. You can then get in the car, put your foot on the brake and simple push the button to start the car.
Removes the whole step of taking out the keys, inserting them and turning the key.
10-28-2008, 11:27 AM
#33
New Member
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Wild Wild West
Posts: 3,096
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
hahahah..wow...thread flame going on. Well for starters(get it??)...I'll admit I read Agent's post too fast and didnt' pick up on the sarcasm...my bad.
Well, as far as the button goes...its really just an opinion. Some people want it for the cool factor. Maybe others want it for its functionality. And fankly..others are just old school and want turn a damn key!
Well, the button is cool..but if it suddenly stops working, I'd feel much more comfortable knowing that I couldn't make the engine start turning a real key in the ignition vs the button not working. Like...why is it not working?! It just adds one more question to the list of poential questions of not being able to start.
1. Battery dead?
2. Alternator dead?
3. Starter dead?
4. Brokenz buttonz?
and who the heck said this button is red? Clearly its grey..unless OP meant it will be lit up red? (shrugs)
Well, as far as the button goes...its really just an opinion. Some people want it for the cool factor. Maybe others want it for its functionality. And fankly..others are just old school and want turn a damn key!
Well, the button is cool..but if it suddenly stops working, I'd feel much more comfortable knowing that I couldn't make the engine start turning a real key in the ignition vs the button not working. Like...why is it not working?! It just adds one more question to the list of poential questions of not being able to start.
1. Battery dead?
2. Alternator dead?
3. Starter dead?
4. Brokenz buttonz?
and who the heck said this button is red? Clearly its grey..unless OP meant it will be lit up red? (shrugs)
10-28-2008, 11:43 AM
#34
Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Houston
Posts: 511
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
hahahah..wow...thread flame going on. Well for starters(get it??)...I'll admit I read Agent's post too fast and didnt' pick up on the sarcasm...my bad.
Well, as far as the button goes...its really just an opinion. Some people want it for the cool factor. Maybe others want it for its functionality. And fankly..others are just old school and want turn a damn key!
Well, the button is cool..but if it suddenly stops working, I'd feel much more comfortable knowing that I couldn't make the engine start turning a real key in the ignition vs the button not working. Like...why is it not working?! It just adds one more question to the list of poential questions of not being able to start.
1. Battery dead?
2. Alternator dead?
3. Starter dead?
4. Brokenz buttonz?
and who the heck said this button is red? Clearly its grey..unless OP meant it will be lit up red? (shrugs)
Well, as far as the button goes...its really just an opinion. Some people want it for the cool factor. Maybe others want it for its functionality. And fankly..others are just old school and want turn a damn key!
Well, the button is cool..but if it suddenly stops working, I'd feel much more comfortable knowing that I couldn't make the engine start turning a real key in the ignition vs the button not working. Like...why is it not working?! It just adds one more question to the list of poential questions of not being able to start.
1. Battery dead?
2. Alternator dead?
3. Starter dead?
4. Brokenz buttonz?
and who the heck said this button is red? Clearly its grey..unless OP meant it will be lit up red? (shrugs)
Once that was ruled out, there is no difference between the two systems. If there is no sound, it's likely the battery, if the battery's fine and it's just a clicking noise, probably the starter. The button itself just replaces the entire key socket assembly, making it a simple switch.
What's funny is a friend of mine worked at a locksmith during highschool and college (family owned business) and he laughs when you talk about chicks with a lot of crap on their key rings breaking keys off in the cylinder. That will no longer be a problem. Sucks for their business though.
Last edited by in.the.dark; 10-28-2008 at 11:45 AM.
10-28-2008, 01:36 PM
#37
New Member
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Wild Wild West
Posts: 3,096
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Once that was ruled out, there is no difference between the two systems. If there is no sound, it's likely the battery, if the battery's fine and it's just a clicking noise, probably the starter. The button itself just replaces the entire key socket assembly, making it a simple switch.
10-28-2008, 03:52 PM
#38
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 123
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I think that having all my keys hanging out of the steering column making noises over bumps and all that is a pain in the **** not too mention I seem to always check the wrong pockets for the damn things...I think having the keys in your coat or pocket or purse (if you are a woman) and just get in the seat and start the car with a button is PERFECT!!! Would I pay 500$ for it?...maybe not...but if it was free I wouldnt complain about it thats for sure!!! KEYS SUCK!!!
