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Old Dec 9, 2008 | 08:35 AM
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I guess the new Cayman S straight line speed is more or less the same. Next week they promise to do a shoot out between the 370Z and the Cayman S.
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It took me the entire trip to Jerez, Spain, to come up with something negative to say about the current Cayman, but here it is: Even within the limited sports car market, Porsche's little two-seater has a limited appeal. Brand loyalists don't touch it because the engine — though still behind the seats — is too far forward. Sun gods don't bite because, hey, isn't it just a Boxster with a roof and a higher price tag? Techie types don't go for it because its CD player and outdated optional nav aren't much too get excited about; things like satellite radio, iPod jacks, or touch screens have never been part of the deal in Stuttgart. Casual cruisers probably aren't biting either, the automatic Tiptronic S transmission being a bit jerky, the engines not being class-leading in power, and the chassis not exactly supple. While the 911 fan club probably won't be swayed by the changes coming in 2009 (or ever), the revised Cayman should be able to find love among other shoppers. It certainly deserves it.

But first, they'll have to figure out that the new Cayman is, in fact, new. The visual cues are few: Up front, the headlight housings are more triangular and have an altered lens layout for new bi-xenons, while the lower grilles cut more sharply toward the middle and contain LED driving lights; at the rear, new LED taillights are reshaped to follow the curves of the fenders. Inside, the only difference is a thicker and more contoured steering wheel.
Once you start diving into the options list (actually, it's more like a book) the changes inside grow more abundant. There's now optional Bluetooth, plus wheel-mounted controls to complement the hands-free and audio systems. A full-function iPod jack can be added to the center console, while an all-new navigation system features one of the better music interfaces available. Additionally, the new maps, functions, and XM connectivity pull Porsche from the rear to the front of the usability pack. But more important are the updates hidden away behind the seats.
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While the base Cayman gets a noteworthy bump to 265 hp and 221 lb-ft of torque, up from 245 hp and 201 lb-ft, this review will focus on the revised Cayman S with Porsche's new PDK dual-clutch transmission. In addition to getting a similar power bump, the S is also updated with direct injection. And really, if given a choice, which would you drive?

Despite a 25-hp, 22 lb-ft boost, the new Cayman S doesn't feel quicker off the line. And it isn't, according to Porsche's official 0-60 mph times of 5.1 seconds for both the 2008 and 2009 models. A look at dyno charts for each car helps explain this unexpected phenomenon. Revisions to the new engine helped free up more power at higher revs and even moved the redline up to 7300 rpm. Both engines make similar power on up to the 2008 Cayman S's power peak of 295 hp at 6250 rpm. But the 2009 engine doesn't stop there, making 320 hp at a screaming 7200 rpm. As befits the new powerband, if you keep your foot deep in the throttle past sixty, the new car will eventually pull ahead. In a standing-start kilometer, a PDK-equipped 2009 model will outrun its manual predecessor by about four tenths of a second. Torque, while raised, doesn't ride a steady plateau as it once did. So this new direct-injection flat six doesn't necessarily feel faster, but it does feel a bit more responsive, with longer legs.

If you're all about 0-60 numbers, Porsche has a way to knock that time down by two tenths, to 4.9 seconds, but you'll have to sacrifice a pedal. Thanks to a launch control program and quicker shifts, the Cayman's dual-clutch transmission is able to make more from the same output curves. Not only that, it returns higher fuel-economy numbers. If you can stomach the idea of a two-pedal Porsche being the better car, PDK is a truly rewarding transmission. It doesn't have the jerky launch issues of some other dual-clutch boxes on the market and the shifts are so smooth and so well timed that after a while you'll feel like shifting manually with the wheel-mounted buttons is a pointless, counter-productive chore. The bad news about launch control is that it comes as part of a $1320 Sport Chrono package and that's on top of the transmission's additional $3420. Some quick addition will tell you that those two tenths of a second will cost you $4740. But what do you expect from a company that offers $560 leather sunvisors as an option?

Speaking of options, there's one on the list that past critics of the Cayman will be delighted to see — a mechanical limited-slip differential. This option only exacerbates the effects of launch control on my internal organs and by the time second gear springs into place I can understand how a football feels right after being punted. A few minutes later, a quick and controllable drift through a damp corner of Spanish asphalt makes me love the limited-slip option even more.

One thing that didn't need to be changed with the Cayman S, and hasn't, is the brakes. Borrowed from the base 911 Carrera, they measure 12.5 inches up front and 11.8 at the rear and provide a great feel and fade-free power. Ceramic composite brakes remain a shockingly expensive $8150 option.

The car's chassis goes basically unchanged as well, though Porsche's press materials explain that "the setup has been modified for the higher power of the engine and optimized for extra comfort combined with superior sportiness." My car, equipped with Porsche Active Suspension Management, doesn't feel as jittery in the sport setting as the old car did. I'm told that along with some minor tweaks to the dampers, new tire compounds play a large role in the new sense of composure. The remade Michelin Pilot Sports have improved roll resistance and can be run at lower pressures, hence the extra cushiness of the ride. On the outgoing model, 19-inch wheels could've been considered masochistic, but that's no longer the case. Thank goodness, because the car looks incredible on the bigger wheels.

While it took an intercontinental plane ride's worth of brainstorming to pinpoint a negative of the outgoing Cayman, the new car's weak spot is more immediately noticeable, not to mention more tangible. The old car's steering was among the most direct, natural systems on the market and while the new Cayman's is still very good, it feels like some weight has been added artificially thanks to changes in the steering valve control map. What's meant to feel "more agile and spontaneous" according to Porsche's press release comes off as higher effort with a touch of numbness. I'm hoping it's just a side effect of the big wheels. And regardless, it still feels better than the majority of the sports car market.
The new Cayman and Cayman S, which keep the car's current 987 chassis code, arrive in March with slightly higher base prices of $50,300 and $60,200, respectively. Both represent price hikes of about $1000, so now the base Boxster and the base Cayenne are now the only two Porsches under $50,000. Still, the Cayman's latest updates keep it competitive and relevant to today's buyers who'll appreciate its many technological advancements. At the same time, the things that haven't changed mean it remains one of the most well-balanced, thoroughly entertaining sports cars on the market. Join us next week, when we'll toss it in the ring with its most dangerous competitor, Nissan's new 370Z.
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Old Dec 9, 2008 | 09:24 AM
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Nice review the Cayman still seems to be an awesome sports car. Hitting the hammer on the nail head as the bridge between Boxster and 911 and obviously a well balance Automobile. The 370Z should fare well against the Cayman but win or loose the Porsche will still be a Porsche (Though some of the 911 purists would diagree). I personally think the Cayman is one of the nicest looking Porsche made and the best deal for the money in the Sports car arena, minus the Nissan 370z and Honda S2k. Even at that they don't have the curbside appeal that a Porsche has!!

Be that as it is, I'd still buy the Z, and save $20-30k.

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Be that as is, I'd still buy the Z, and save $20-30k.
I saw the option list and the cost could easily go up the 80K. I'd say you can probably save more than 30K buying a Z. That said though, driving a Cayman is really special.
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Old Dec 9, 2008 | 09:44 AM
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Great looking car, but I would much rather have the Z.
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Old Dec 9, 2008 | 09:55 AM
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Z only, sorry Porsche
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The cayan is awesome, but it still looks goofy to me since the cab is right smack in the middle of the car. Yes it performs well, but I'll take the Z for half the price and similar if not better figures. For $60K I'd rather be in an RS4, S5, Z06 or GTR. Yes those might cost a bit extra but not much.
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Old Dec 9, 2008 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by bigdog1250
The cayan is awesome, but it still looks goofy to me since the cab is right smack in the middle of the car. Yes it performs well, but I'll take the Z for half the price and similar if not better figures. For $60K I'd rather be in an RS4, S5, Z06 or GTR. Yes those might cost a bit extra but not much.
Exactly.
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Old Dec 9, 2008 | 11:36 AM
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judging straight line speed with 0-60 times ftmfl.
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Old Dec 9, 2008 | 11:44 AM
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Misleading title. Motive is merely quoting manufacturer's times, which everyone knows is slow. Furthermore, if you get the PDK, they claim 0-60 in 4.9.

To see the difference in manufacturer's times and actual times, Porsche's claim for the new 911 S Cab. with the PDK is 0-60 in 4.5 seconds. Motor Trend's test? 0-60 in 3.9.

As I have said before, the Cayman S will continue to be a SLIGHTLY better performance car purely on numbers. The important thing to me is that the 370z has bridged some of the gap on the SUBJECTIVE aspects of what makes a sports car, cause the 350z fell short in that regard.
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i like the spot for the paddles...except they look a little to easy to bump on accident
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I like how it looks.
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I always like mid-engine cars like the Cayman because there's nothing like putting your groceries under the hood.
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Originally Posted by vnarang
I like how it looks.
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But there are better options out ther for the money.
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Until the heads up test, I thought this Car and Driver article was interesting. It matches the Cayman S (old one) against the BMW Z4M. The BMW appears on paper to be a close match to the Z. Check it out....
A quick run through the 3303-pound M-car's gears produces a 0-to-60 time of 4.8 seconds, a quarter-mile time of 13.4 seconds at 105 mph, and a governed top speed of 160 mph. The Cayman S rang in at 4.8 seconds to 60 and posted a slightly quicker quarter-mile time of 13.3 seconds at 107 mph on its way to an ungoverned top speed of 166 mph.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...st+page-2.html
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Look and feel of a Sports Car means something, straight line speed is not all that makes a SC the thrill to drive, its that becoming one with the car and road. It's the same feeling we get when we test drive the Mustang, hemi Charger, Cobalt, Monte Carlo, GTO and older Corvetts or Z28 Camaros alot times the 0-60 speed are better but overall package leaves us happy when we get back into our Z car. Which is a nice balance between power, speed and handling. I do really wish the 350z started out with 370s Z interior thats my only complaint until I stop short or swing a S curve or let my right foot do the talking.

This same feeling is the feeling that Porsche and BMW drivers have toward the Z-car almost what we have amd a nice comparmises. But for less the $15-40k I can live with that. If I was rich I'd be driving a Porsche and chining a 5 series BMW but my summer DD would probably still be the 370Z or 350Z awesome looking car. My 2 cent.

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The dumbest comparison anyone can do is 0-60, especially if they see that as being equivalent acceleration.

The Cayman S is a superb track machine. The 370Z is almost as great, for a fraction of the price. Nissan did a good job.
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Originally Posted by WestRace
I saw the option list and the cost could easily go up the 80K. I'd say you can probably save more than 30K buying a Z. That said though, driving a Cayman is really special.
Did you say $80K for an optioned out Cayman S? Holy crap!! I'm no 370Z fan boy by any means but thats over a $40 THOUSAND difference between the two. Ill take my 370 in silver please.
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I'll stick with the Z, thanks but no thanks Porsche. Overpriced imo.
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I wouldn't say over price any car can get into outrageous prices if you max out the options I've heard of nearly $32k Cobalts or $38k GTOs or Carlos. Even $80k CTS full option and buyers not able to negotiate a lower price. So $50-$80k for a special edition Porsche Cayman I could see, BECAUSE IT IS A PORSCHE. Here's where this makes sense (and this may not be true with the Boxster/Cayman) but the Porsche resell value stays high because of its name. I've seen 5-20 yr. old 911s, 924s, even 944s going for as much or a little less then they sold for new. I recently seen a 199X 911 targa priced at $65k of course new it probably cost $80k-100K in the 1990s, but we are talking about a 10+ year old car.

My point is that Nissan had a hard time selling a $40K+ Z32 here and around the world. A good Z32 can be had for $5k now. A Porsche holds more resell value but it is also harder to maintain unless you are real handy with a wrench I had 944 for a short time years ago and sold it after researching what it would cost to maintain it. The 944 not all that fast but handle real well, I bought a used Z31 didn't miss the Porsche at all, never had any maintenance problem out of the Z31 just oil it, gas it and drive it.

The more I find out about the 370z the more I want one. Black or Red shaken not strirred.

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Originally Posted by skaterbasist
The dumbest comparison anyone can do is 0-60, especially if they see that as being equivalent acceleration.
Nope. The dumbest comparison anyone can do is 0-60 USING MANUFACTURER SPECS, ESPECIALLY PORSCHE SPECS WHICH ARE NOTORIOUSLY SLOW.

Geez, people. (not you, skaterbasist - you tend to be one of the most realistic and level-headed people on the forum)

Also note this part of the article:

"In a standing-start kilometer, a PDK-equipped 2009 model will outrun its manual predecessor by about four tenths of a second."


Considering several tests have put the old manual CS at 4.8 and 4.9 seconds... what does that tell you? Yep, it will be faster... not 5.1 seconds.

And it should be, considering the price. But the chassis is the real star... everybody do yourself a favoran don't comment on it until you've driven a CS.

Originally Posted by bigdog1250
For $60K I'd rather be in an RS4, S5...
Are you joking? Your audi intern fanboism is showing. Those are both glutonous pigs with nice interiors. Grand tourers, but not sports cars. Heck, the new G37 sedan keeps up with them... at half the price.

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