i'd like to see a z06 vs gtr vspec.

 

Wow, you are so wrong. First of all, there are like 10x Mustangs sold compared to Z's.

Provide me any factual information that Mustangs break more than a Nissan. Do you know how many early 350z engine/transmission/suspension problems there were?

I'm not defending that the Mustang is a better car, it's definitely NOT, but these unsubstantiated American POS cars thing is getting really f'ing old. Sure, in the 80s and 90s American cars were not as reliable as Japanese cars, but American cars have caught up while Japanese cars have slipped down.

Also, historically American cars are cheaper and the people who buy them don't maintain them as well as the average Camry or Accord owner. I think American car makers know this and because of that they were the first manufacturers to create the no maintenance for 100k miles concept.

In all honesty, if someone said here's two cars (Nissan Z and Mustang), except for changing oil, we won't do anything and will drive them constantly. Which one will have a serious break first? It's a tough call, could go either way, but I'd probably go with the Mustang because it's a proven engine, drivetrain, less sophisticated suspension, less computer controlled parts, etc.

Again I state, I'd purchase the 370z with my money, but not because it's more reliable, that's for sure.

 

cause rustangs are mass produced on a honda civic level. Z production numbers are WAY lower then the crapstangs. Plus Shitstangs have a v6 and v8 option. SO you see dirtstangs everywhere you fawking go

 

That's my point, so since there's more Mustangs, there are more mustangs in the junkyard.

The other guy's logic was junkyards have more Mustangs so they're unreliable.

Well I never see Ferraris in the junk yard so it must be the most reliable car.

 

I have been thinking about buying a 370Z or spending the extra on the 335i. When reading threads like this you really get a sense of the type of crowd you relate to if equating that to what type of vehicle you drive. Thus I it makes me sad that such a nice car seems to be driven by so many immature people.

Grow up and realize that American manufactures can make nice cars and in some respects make certain thing better than its Japanese counterparts.

I think the 335i might be a better choice just because I'll feel like a better person and be able to relate to the people that drive them more.

 

LOL, don't let these tools be indicators of every Z driver. BMW drivers have their own stereotypes. That said, don't make your car decision based on message forum attitudes. The 370Z and 335i are two incredible machines that are best in their own classes. The thing is, they're not really in the same class, so you should decide what suits you best.

This is my opinion on drivers to go for one car over the other:

Favor the Z:
1) True "sports" car
2) Better track performance
3) More raw and rough around the edges
4) Lower price/better value
5) Stereotype on the street: SPORTS CAR

Favor the 335i:
1) Elegant Performer
2) Buttery Smooth Powerplant
3) Quieter / More luxurious focused (ride/suspension/engine noise/etc)
4) Back seats
5) Stereotype on street: Luxury Sporty Car

 

The kids on this board just don't have a clue. Try picking up a magazine and actually reading it. You might find out that on most, if not all, surveys Ford's quality is ranked over Nissan's.

 

i love the new design of 2010 mustang. its so aggresive while being subtle....

but the only thing the mustang had for it was its excellence in the 1/4 mile. the 370z is just as fast as the mustang in a straight line while being way faster in the corners

this new mustang is weak. they should have released it with more hp. the camaro ss is the only true muscle car that can compete with the 370z at this point

 

Is that what you gather from this?? Cool, your opinion here counts about as much as everyone else's. And I was reffering ONLY to MUSTANGS since thats WHAT THIS THREAD is about. I love All cars, am a car guy period. You dont have to like what I like or others and vise versa. Doesnt make them immature. Stop generalizing the crowd and putting words in people mouths. Allot of Z guys dont like mustangs, that just a fact...doesnt make them Anti american car guys. You will come to realize most people on here are cool and mature with the exception of a few, and that goes with EVERY crowd.

 

I see your point, but ford in general has a reputation for unreliability. I personally cant endorse this cause my family has been driving fords since I was a kid, and never really had a problem. But I DO know of a few friends with mustangs that have had more problems then say,me and my Z or my friends trans Am, or my friends camaro.

 

95% of people who give Ford this reputation have never owned one, or haven't owned one in 20+ years. It's just a perpetual myth that goes on forever.

Case in point, my 98 V8 Explorer with 130K miles was considerably more reliable than my 02 Acura MDX with 65K miles (I owned both in 2005-2007, so the 4 year older car with double miles was more reliable) and the Explorer never had ANY problem and I did a ****-poor job maintaining it:

- Original owner didn't do ANYTHING
- Original transmission fluid
- First differential fluid change at 110K miles
- One set of spark plugs was pretty much the only maintenance
- Rear-hatch wiper motor was replaced ($25 DIY fix)
- Hood struts died (the ones that keep the engine hood up when open) ($20 DIY fix)

Meanwhile the MDX

- Transmisison recall (Paid by Acura but NOT cheap, 6-8k)
- Brake problems ($400 for new rear brakes)
- Constant transmission shuddering (Never fixed)
- By 60k miles the head was so gunked up with carbon/etc. ($400 head disassembly)
- Torque Converter was kind of iffy (Never fixed)
- Motor mounts out at 60k miles ($700)
- Shocks sloppy by 60k miles (Never fixed, too expensive)

Anyways, people say Acuras are the most reliable cars around, but both my Integra and MDX were my least reliable cars, I had a number of problems on both cars with sub-80k miles.

Integra problems before it was stolen at 65k miles:

- Radiator broke three times
- Clutch throw-out bad at 45k miles
- Water pump blew at 51k miles
- Starter out at 55k miles
- 2 Window motors out by 60k miles

 

I like the Mustang ole technology that can compete number wise with new world technology as in the Mustang being heavier and having the same 0-60 time as the 370Z and stopping shorter albetit not as steady. I am impressed with the Mustang its come along way from the car that would go fast but took for ever to stop and it looks better in its retro form. If I was rich it would be one of the Cars in my stable.

Now the 370Z is just pure sports car its handling seems improved, its tranmission improved, its interior improved, overall performance improved though 332hp should have waxed a 315hp heavier car but I guess the V8 torque pulls them even until over 100mph. The good thing is that the 370Z flat out performed the Ford V8 and that couldn't be said of the 03-05 350Z unless on a track.

I do agree that this was not a equalizant comparison, it really only marked the difference in a Sports Car and Muscle Car. Nothing hardly beats the feel of a Z and nothing hardly beats the sound of the Stangs V8 for the money.

I like the Stang but I would always buy a Z, unless I was rich then a Stang would be somewhere in between my Vette and Viper nowhere near my Porsche, Zs, Lambo and Ferreira.

Yeah I'm Z bias. But I like the 3rd party market for the Stang, cheap heat.

 

You're trying to compare the top of the line camaro ss with a mustang gt when you should be comparing it to the top of the line mustang Cobra. The 2010 cobra is coming out with 560hp and will kick the camaro's azz.

 

The base price of the 2010 Chevy Camaro SS will start at $30,995 which is on par with the mustang gt, so wtf are you talking about?

 

Actually the Mustang GT base price is 27k the same as the Camaro 2LT. The SS package starts between 30k-34k. What I'm saying is if you go into a chevy dealer and ask for the top of the line camaro, they will point you to the SS model and if you go to a ford dealer and ask the same question, they in return will point you to the cobra. If you're simply trying to compare prices then you should be comparing the SS to the challenger, not the GT.

 

the v8 mustang gt has a base price of $28,845
the v8 camaro ss will have a base price of $30,995

are you seriously nitpicking over $1-2k?

the "cobra" that you are talking about will most likely retail for $45k+

and your telling me that thats a fair comparison?

then its not certain if chevy will or will not come out with a z28 model which will actually be the competition for the cobra mustang

 

Comparing the Mustang to the Z is like comparing apples to oranges. They are both great cars that provide a very different but great driving experience. I have owned both and have been happy with both. However, at the end of the day, I can't really think of anything that compares to the Mustang's V8 sound. And from what I've read Mustang has really nailed the visceral sound that I think is intoxicating while the 370Z sounds like a Lexus with it's absence of anything close to a desirable exhaust note. Yeah I know you can install an aftermarket system on the 370 (as I did on my Z) but it still sounds like a ricer, but I guess some people like rice and that's cool.

 

The Shelby GT500 will not even have 560, they're estimating it to have 540. It is well beyond "Cobra" specs and costs around $50k.

 

I am not paying for sound..if I wanted sound I would just upgrade my stereo..the z sounds just fine as is..I am paying for performance,looks and quality..try taking an s-turn with the pos great sounding rustang @ 90+mph and see if that sound will take it.

 

well for a mustang hater that thinks there are so much Stangs in Junkyards? BS!

As for a mustang not as reliable as a NISSAN? that is BS also! I have a 90 GT that has a Vortech and everything else! it has over 148,000mi on the Stock Block, Never eats a drop of oil! All this with launches of 4500 RPM's on Slicks! on a Street prepped Suspension! I drive it everyday to work and back, and cruzing and racing it at the track! It has never broke down on me since I had this car new! now I would love to see a 370Z do this without any mods to rear end or Bottom half of Block? I doubt it will live as long as my Stang! So for you to say any Mustang is Unreliable, get your facts Bro. And I would love to hammer you and your 370Z, anyday, turns or straights! any Mustang with with a few amount of $$$$ can be made to outhandle any 370Z!

Just hate when one person bashes one make of car. cause they see alot of so called "American Cars" in Junkyards? I bet there is just as much Foreign car at Junk yards just the same!