Nissan GT-R Owner Voids Warranty, Grenades $36K Engine [Blown Engines]
02-06-2010, 06:50 PM
#1
Nissan GT-R Owner Voids Warranty, Grenades $36K Engine [Blown Engines]
hey guys.. i found this on the zilvia.net sorry if this is a repost
http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index....pic=36946&st=0
02-01-2010 10:00 AM
A member over at NAGTROC made the mistake of modifying his Nissan GT-R engine while it was still under its temperamental warranty. So, when he then broke the cylinder block, he was completely screwed. How it happened, plus pictures, below.
If you'll remember, Nissan's already a bit finicky when it comes to the warranty on the GT-R. But once you start modifying the car in any way — that already-less-than-stellar warranty becomes about as useful as poison ivy when you're looking to wipe your ***.
You can read his description of what happened below and share your theory. For what's it's worth, he thinks he ran the wrong software for the fuel he was putting in his car in Lebanon:
after less than a month driving my GTR after my perfect gearbox rebuilt, i was cruising today on 3rd gear, then i decided to shift to second gear to overtake a car, i down shifted , car accelerates like a missile, then 1 k before cutoff i hear a uninterupted sound like trrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr coming from the engine, and some smoke going out of the engine, i look at the oil pressure and oil light in dash they are ok , i look in my rear view mirror and i see oil , i shift to neutral shut down the car and go to the side of the road to stop. i get down of the car open the engine from where smoke is going out, and i see all the oil under the car... at that point i was CONVINCED its an oil pipe that is broken, i called road service to get towed, go to the workshop, and... guess what............ broken cylinder block...... something seems to have broken on the crank, or piston or pushrods and made a big mess..the block is broken on both sides, i guess the broken part blew off left then right.. i was running on AP stage 2 97 version 2.0
the bad news:
- i got AP , Y pipe and 5zigen, car is already blacklisted and out of warranty
-new engine is 55,000 us$$$$!!!!!!!!!!!
-i'm really really pissed
-i hate nissan management!
-we don't know yet the extent of the damage inside the engine
the only good news:
unlike the GR6, nissan sells engine parts and not only complete assembly.. otherwise i would put fuel on the car and burn it in front of the nissan showroom
here is some pics, can anyone share any experience with the engine? any thoughts what could have happened? is there is any other cases with broken cylinders blocks???? i cant believe that the AP software upgrade could have blow off the engine.. these engines should support more than 70hp of upgraded power IMO
im in love with the gtr but i HATE nissan
For the record — the owner checked with a dealership and a new engine costs closer to $36K.
the fuel we have in lebanon is 98 octane RON while in the US its 93 AKI and not RON. when i downloaded the new AP software , i had to choose the country, and since my GTR is a US spec car, i choosed USJDM software and i ran on stage 2 97 octane software. the 97 octane of the US maps is AKI while i was running 98 octane RON. and 98 octane RON appears to be less than 93 octane AKI... timing settings should have been different... i should have stayed on version 1.08B
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A member over at NAGTROC made the mistake of modifying his Nissan GT-R engine while it was still under its temperamental warranty. So, when he then broke the cylinder block, he was completely screwed. How it happened, plus pictures, below.
If you'll remember, Nissan's already a bit finicky when it comes to the warranty on the GT-R. But once you start modifying the car in any way — that already-less-than-stellar warranty becomes about as useful as poison ivy when you're looking to wipe your ***.
You can read his description of what happened below and share your theory. For what's it's worth, he thinks he ran the wrong software for the fuel he was putting in his car in Lebanon:
after less than a month driving my GTR after my perfect gearbox rebuilt, i was cruising today on 3rd gear, then i decided to shift to second gear to overtake a car, i down shifted , car accelerates like a missile, then 1 k before cutoff i hear a uninterupted sound like trrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr coming from the engine, and some smoke going out of the engine, i look at the oil pressure and oil light in dash they are ok , i look in my rear view mirror and i see oil , i shift to neutral shut down the car and go to the side of the road to stop. i get down of the car open the engine from where smoke is going out, and i see all the oil under the car... at that point i was CONVINCED its an oil pipe that is broken, i called road service to get towed, go to the workshop, and... guess what............ broken cylinder block...... something seems to have broken on the crank, or piston or pushrods and made a big mess..the block is broken on both sides, i guess the broken part blew off left then right.. i was running on AP stage 2 97 version 2.0
the bad news:
- i got AP , Y pipe and 5zigen, car is already blacklisted and out of warranty
-new engine is 55,000 us$$$$!!!!!!!!!!!
-i'm really really pissed
-i hate nissan management!
-we don't know yet the extent of the damage inside the engine
the only good news:
unlike the GR6, nissan sells engine parts and not only complete assembly.. otherwise i would put fuel on the car and burn it in front of the nissan showroom
here is some pics, can anyone share any experience with the engine? any thoughts what could have happened? is there is any other cases with broken cylinders blocks???? i cant believe that the AP software upgrade could have blow off the engine.. these engines should support more than 70hp of upgraded power IMO
im in love with the gtr but i HATE nissan
For the record — the owner checked with a dealership and a new engine costs closer to $36K.
the fuel we have in lebanon is 98 octane RON while in the US its 93 AKI and not RON. when i downloaded the new AP software , i had to choose the country, and since my GTR is a US spec car, i choosed USJDM software and i ran on stage 2 97 octane software. the 97 octane of the US maps is AKI while i was running 98 octane RON. and 98 octane RON appears to be less than 93 octane AKI... timing settings should have been different... i should have stayed on version 1.08B
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Last edited by nismo_nate; 02-06-2010 at 06:52 PM.
02-06-2010, 08:09 PM
#4
I don't understand people that buy a highly specialized machine, then get pissed because they modify it and it breaks, and their warranty is no longer void. Leave the f'in thing alone or be prepared to suffer the consequences.
If you've got the cash to buy the car, and the ***** to modify it, then you shouldn't be complaining about having to buy a new engine, at any price. Oh well, he can always buy a used engine from one of the crashed ones
If you've got the cash to buy the car, and the ***** to modify it, then you shouldn't be complaining about having to buy a new engine, at any price. Oh well, he can always buy a used engine from one of the crashed ones
02-06-2010, 08:32 PM
#5
I don't understand people that buy a highly specialized machine, then get pissed because they modify it and it breaks, and their warranty is no longer void. Leave the f'in thing alone or be prepared to suffer the consequences.
If you've got the cash to buy the car, and the ***** to modify it, then you shouldn't be complaining about having to buy a new engine, at any price. Oh well, he can always buy a used engine from one of the crashed ones
If you've got the cash to buy the car, and the ***** to modify it, then you shouldn't be complaining about having to buy a new engine, at any price. Oh well, he can always buy a used engine from one of the crashed ones
It's one thing to add a CAI or Exhaust. That shouldn't void the entire warranty, because they have to prove that the modifications caused or could have caused the problem.
For instance, you add new tires to your car and the engine blows while driving on a surface road at 30mph at 2500rpm. It's not from the tires. They honor the warranty.
You get a new EMS or chip or software to manage fuel, timing, etc, and you do it incorrectly and that causes the engine to blow up during a high RPM down shift on the freeway....ummm...they'd have to be stupid to honor the warranty! Come on...he admits guilt. It still sucks, but he needs to man up. He should never have even mentioned the warranty. It should be self-explanatory that it is not a warranty issue.
From wikipedia:
a warranty is "...a guarantee of the reliability of a product under conditions of ordinary use." "Such warranties usually do not cover "acts of God", owner abuse, malicious destruction, commercial use, or anything, for that matter, outside of a mechanical failure incurred with normal personal usage.
This is pretty much common knowledge and common sense.
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02-07-2010, 10:55 AM
#16
I don't understand people that buy a highly specialized machine, then get pissed because they modify it and it breaks, and their warranty is no longer void. Leave the f'in thing alone or be prepared to suffer the consequences.
If you've got the cash to buy the car, and the ***** to modify it, then you shouldn't be complaining about having to buy a new engine, at any price. Oh well, he can always buy a used engine from one of the crashed ones
If you've got the cash to buy the car, and the ***** to modify it, then you shouldn't be complaining about having to buy a new engine, at any price. Oh well, he can always buy a used engine from one of the crashed ones
There are alot of details that the owner is leaving out and it sounds like he was trying to DIY a tune. Not very smart.
02-07-2010, 11:44 AM
#17
I also know exactly what you mean, my above comment was for lulz.
On another note after reading the octane levels I will agree with what was said above, it wasnt the smartest thing for him to run a tune that was specified for a particular octane level.
02-07-2010, 03:56 PM
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I don't understand people that buy a highly specialized machine, then get pissed because they modify it and it breaks, and their warranty is no longer void. Leave the f'in thing alone or be prepared to suffer the consequences.
If you've got the cash to buy the car, and the ***** to modify it, then you shouldn't be complaining about having to buy a new engine, at any price. Oh well, he can always buy a used engine from one of the crashed ones
If you've got the cash to buy the car, and the ***** to modify it, then you shouldn't be complaining about having to buy a new engine, at any price. Oh well, he can always buy a used engine from one of the crashed ones
I knew I threw my warranty out the window with my turbo and I expect nothing from Nissan as I willfully and knowingly modded the car way past what it was engineered to handle.
How dumb are you to play with fire and cry when you get burned.