I think it was suzy orman (sp?) who said that leasing is for people who want to drive cars they can not afford, of course there is exceptions to the rule like ChickDr who sounds like he could easily buy the car over leasing if he so desired, but as he mention he prefers a new car every few years so leasing is probably a better way for him to go.

Fact is leasing or buying, people are over extending themselves on cars they can't afford. It used to be a lot harder to geat a loan, now a days they give you loans regardless of your credit rating, you just have to pay a higher intreast rate...

As far as what I do myself, I save up and pay cash for the car, or If I have to have it, I will put down 70% and pay the loan off within a year.

Only thing that scares me about leasing is if you lose your job and/or have to take another job with less pay, your pretty much screwed... The same can be said with people who buy there cars with onlly 5% down and take a 5 year loan

 

Agreed.

 

N.A.D.A.

another fact is 85% of americans are upside down in there trades

78% of all cars on the road have either been wrecked or had some kind of paint work


scary numbers arent they?

 

i'd go with the boxster

 

The fact is you can use stats to prove anything. 79.4% of all people believe that

 

just posting true verifiabe fact published by nada

 

Sorry my humour didn't come across clear. Note my last sentence.

 

[QUOTE=chickdr] Don't get me wrong, a ZR is a nice car, but it does not touch a Boxster in terms of the driving experience and build quality (as it should not for the $10K difference in price).


So just because Porsche can charge an extra $10k, because their car has a Porsche emblem on it makes you think somehow the Boxter has a better build quality than a ZR NOT.

Actually its the other way around. I couldn't find a decent 1- 2 year old Boxter that didn't have come kind of rattle or creek when I drove it, so I decided on a new ZR. After 2 years - Guess what? No rattles or creeks. I saw a 2006 Boxter in the parking lot a few weeks ago with a hood that didn't even line up exactly with the front fenders. The gap was different on each side.

"Better Build quality"? - Oh Puleeeease.

 

You obviously have a different definition of build quality than I do. All cars have rattles/squeaks(especially convertibles). My 2002 Boxster had a few and when I took it in for the yearly service they made every one dissapear and they have not returned in 10 mths. I did not say because it is a Porsche, it is simply better. The ZR interior design is much less sophisticated than the Boxster(likely just a German design thing as out Touareg is the same way compared to Japanese designs) How many times has the Z roadster been said to be a better roadster than the Boxster? None. The body structure on a Z doesn't compare either- much more flex in the 2005 I drove than my 2002 Boxster. The 2006 P-car you saw must have been an anomoly. I just test drove several new 2006's and they all had perfect gaps and paint. Paint is another area that is leaps and bounds ahead on the Porsche. Have you ever compared that aspect? Don't get me wrong, the ZR is a nice car, but it is not in the same league as a Boxster. When a Nissan salesmen I spoke with scoffed at the S2000 I mentioned saying "we really don't compare the ZR to the S2000, but more to the Boxster" I just laughed to myself.

I assume from your comments you would pay as much or more for a 350ZR than a 2.7 Boxster?

 

I looked at the boxster and the S2000 when I was looking for a sports car.. My biggest problem is im 6'-4" and neither one of those cars will accomodate my size. Main reason I went with the 350zr was that I could actually fit in it with some room to spare.. Boxster and S2000 are freakin small...

Personaly I think the S2000 and 350ZR are great cars for the price... The Boxster on the otherhand is over priced, add a few options and your well north of $50k ($56K to be exact, and thats just on stuff the Touring Z comes standard with, given the Prosche stuff is little higher quality)... Still, to have a comparably equiped Boxster its gonna cost you over $16k more then the 350zr. And the Boxster is not any faster (unless you go with the S model, but figure another $10k for that model)

 

funny thing is the z car out performs in every aspect even your great boxter type s. (good driver to good driver)

much more reliable

interior 1 ups the z car by a notch (but not much).

looks? well thats all a matter of opinion. i personally think the z car is hands down a much better looking car.

hell i can hardly tell the difference when a see the boxter and the toyota spyder.

ive had 4 porsches and they are pretty decent cars but every one i had had all kinds of problems ( 86 1/2 944 turbo, 89 928 s4, 98 boxter s , and an 01 911 turbo) all of them spent much more time in the shop than my z and cost 4 times as much for repairs and maintanance.

 

I totally agree with a lot of the comments above. Yes the Boxster costs a lot more than the ZR. That is why I started the thread in the first place- I am sure it costs less to BUY a 350ZR than a Boxster, but why does a lease cost the same? Doesn't make sense. As far a pricing, you can actually get a 2.7 Boxster with the preferred package plus and 18" wheels for just north of $50K. This has about everything the ZR has(Bose, Xenon lights, Heated Seats, etc). Of course you can go crazy and push the sticker north of $70K if you desire. Power to weight ratio of even the base Boxster is the same as a 350ZR too considering the huge difference in weight(2800 vs 3500lbs). The weight difference alone is why some pick the more expensive P-car.

 

[QUOTE=chickdr]You obviously have a different definition of build quality than I do. All cars have rattles/squeaks(especially convertibles).....................

All I read was...blah...blah...blah. Your opinions are just that - YOUR OPINIONS..............and we'll leave it at that.

 

[QUOTE=Silver350ZAZ]Sounds good- I don't have any problems with your OPINIONS either

 

The ZR outperforms the Boxster S in every aspect? What tests are you reading? As far as reliability- my base Boxster has been in the shop once a year for its oil change(15K interval) and twice for repairs in 4 yrs. It has been extremely reliable. There are many that have had trouble with the Boxster, but the same could be said about early Z's as well(trannys, etc).

 

**** a boxster.....i dont like those for ****.......****ty car power sucks and looks nasty......oh my its a porshe....soooo thing is nasty........if i were to spend that money like what 40 to 50? i wouldnt waste money on that......id buy a nice luxury car or man up and buy a real sports car... like a vette or something but yeah i would buy rather than lease a zr.....just my .02 cents lease waste of money......plus i would wanna mod the hell out of it

 

well lets see.... it out accelerates, out corners, more power, and 20k lighter on the wallet. the boxter s and the z is a drivers race really. shame you have to pay 20k more to get the performance anywhere near what a z gives. the z cars body panels are straighter and half the wind noise a boxter makes with the top up or down.

boxter has a slightly better interior (but not by much) and as you say they use 6mil on paint instead of 4mil

is 20k worth that? nah. so you got lucky with your boxter as far as problems go. most porsches spend a good portion of thier lives at the shop for that fine german engineering that seems to short something electrical out all the time. and then again the whole toyota thing keeps popping in my mind..(stlying like a spider)..

if you like waisting money for an over priced under performing car then the boxter is a GREAT choice. and if you wanna really break the bank and throw money away you can go by a type s for almost what a viper and z06 cost

 

but again thats just my opinion

 

I think your thinking of the old Boxster S, that one was a drivers race with the 350zr, but the new Boxster S is about 3/4 second quicker to 0-60 and 1/4 mile... Given if a person in the Boxster was not that good and the person in the 350zr was, then the 350zr could probably win... but in the hands of quilified drivers the new Boxster S should beat the 350ZR everytime...

Remember were talking Boxster S vs 350z Roadster (not the coupe, which is few ticks faster then the roadster)...

Also the Boxster S pulls 1.0 G while the 350z coupe only pulls 0.89 g's, the Boxster will beat the Z on a road course....

If the Boxster was a tad bigger and about $15k cheaper I honestly would be driving that instead of my 350zr, but since thats not going to happen, im more then happy with my 350zr

OT, as far as the leasing goes, I think nobody is buying the Boxsters because of the price, thats why there are good leasing deals on the boxster. If the boxster was selling as hot as the 350zr is right now then the lease deals would be higher..


Good Seller = High leases
Bad Seller = Low leases

Maybe its me but if I was going to spend around $55k on a sports car, I rather spend another $15k and step into a Porsche 911, Even tho the boxster is a great sports car on paper, people still view it as the entry level Porsche car for people who really can't afford the ""Real"" Porsches... Thats not how I really view it personaly, but the General Public pretty much does..

 

OK- lets first agree on the cars - a 2006 Boxster S and a 2006 350Z R.
Now you are trying to tell me the 300hp 3600lb 350ZR will out accellerate a 280hp 3000lb Boxster S?(BTW- "more power" is a great marketing term but how about power:weight- where the S has the ZR at 10.7lb/hp vs 12lb/hp- even a 2.7 Boxster(240hp) has a better power to weight ratio than that!) Then you want to talk handling(cornering in your terms). The Boxster S will spank a ZR in that dept as well with the weight difference alone. As another poster here said, some will discount the Boxster as the "cheap" Porsche but the smart ones know it is the best handling Porsche out there(except maybe the new Cayman S or Carerra GT). The Boxster is almost universally crowned one of the best handling cars on the road today. You can buy a Boxster S for $55K(or less with discounts) while the Z06 starts at $66K(with NO discounts-in fact you probably have "market adjustments" on top of the base price) and you still won't have the feel of a P-car. Sure the P-car is overpriced... Spoken just as someone who can't afford one would say!