Buyer Warning! Review of zcar03's "custom work"
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Originally Posted by AParshall04
I totally forgot how to compute the air space inside boxes (doh i know this sounds stupid), i measured the box and its approximately 20"x10"x9" and i told him i needed around 1.25 cubic feet for my particular sub. is this right?
Use the PayPal dispute resolution center. If you payed PayPal with a credit
card, put it in dispute with your credit card issuer as well. I bought a "almost new" " JWT flywheel and clutch from a forum member last year and it showed up in ugly shape. I went throught the process and got a refund. I think your PayPal agreement says you won't dispute it with your credit card company, but when they weren't very cooperative, so I did what I had to do.
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card, put it in dispute with your credit card issuer as well. I bought a "almost new" " JWT flywheel and clutch from a forum member last year and it showed up in ugly shape. I went throught the process and got a refund. I think your PayPal agreement says you won't dispute it with your credit card company, but when they weren't very cooperative, so I did what I had to do.
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Originally Posted by 16psibrick
jim, i know hat you mean, and like i said, i use exclusively mdf..
but, having said, that
would yuo be willing to make a bet with me?
i will build two enclosures, identical in size, and carpet them identically and load them with the same sub.
now, one will be out of particle board, one will be out of mdf.
i will bet you 1000 bucks, that you cannot tell whcih box is whcih? if you agree, i will fly down thre and we can do the blind test...i am being dead serious..anyone else who think they can hear a difference is welcome to join too
what do you think? again, my point is not to say he SHOULD have used particle board, becuase like you, i use MDF just becuase theoritically it is better for sure... but more that my disgust was with the way he BUILD the box.
but, having said, that
would yuo be willing to make a bet with me?
i will build two enclosures, identical in size, and carpet them identically and load them with the same sub.
now, one will be out of particle board, one will be out of mdf.
i will bet you 1000 bucks, that you cannot tell whcih box is whcih? if you agree, i will fly down thre and we can do the blind test...i am being dead serious..anyone else who think they can hear a difference is welcome to join too
what do you think? again, my point is not to say he SHOULD have used particle board, becuase like you, i use MDF just becuase theoritically it is better for sure... but more that my disgust was with the way he BUILD the box.
Sorry to keep distracting from this thread's topic, but yes, I will 100% be willing to take that challenge. I assure you that there are audible and moreso measurable differences in these boxes.
I understand you like to build out of MDF, and I like that ... but you are arguing against yourself. Why do you use MDF if it sounds no different? There are a million reasons to use HDP before MDF. It is more expensive, it DESTROYS saw blades, it is much harded to work with than HDP and weight significantly more, hindering any perforance aspects of the vehicle it goes it. HDP is also much easier to sand, to shape, and to bond fiberglass to.
All in all .. if things were the same, I would be using HDP, but I personally know the differences in these materials and the way they sound in a system, therefore I choose MDF or Fiberglass for my enclosures.
- Jim
On Topic - I am glad to see this a$$hat will never be selling ANYTHING again! ZCar .... you made you money scamming ... time to walk away with some profit and be happy ... Alex, sorry it turned out this way Bro, but you do get the satisfaction of knowing you screwed this guy too.
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Like stated earlier in the thread if you used a debit/credit card then contact your bank or your credit card company directly. They are able to do things that Paypal cant (or just chooses not to). In the totem pole of online buying your credit card company and bank sit atop, Paypal is underneath them and you are at the bottom. Believe me, if you contact your bank or credit card company you WILL get your money back.
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Michael Minervini of “Car z Kustoms” also ripped me off for about $250 for a polished plenum last February. Before I sent him my plenum he sent me all these great pics of how well he did the polishing on his own bike. I was still a little bit skeptical of the whole thing with him being in Massachusetts and me in New York but I decided to take a chance being that he was a forum member. That was a huge mistake. Long story short he sent me back a half-assed plenum that had a dull-*** surface polish. By surface polish I mean the boltholes and sides of the plenum had not even been sanded or smoothed let alone polished. To add insult to injury when I brought it up to him he refused to give me a refund. It was not until I informed him that I paid someone local ($400) to re-do my plenum the way it should be done, that he then offered to re-polish the plenum. I was thinking to myself, "Hey, GUY the plenum has already been re-polished what the hell can you do for me know except give me a refund."
Well I tried the Paypal resolution center route and unfortunately they do not offer returns on services rendered. Oh well lesson learned. Well, I feel badly for all of us who have been scammed by this jerk but I am glad this thread was created. FYI his screen name on 350zmotoring is "gtabadboy." he should have a huge buyer beware next to all of his posts.
This is the pic he sent me prior to mail me back my plenum. You think it was far enough away?
Well I tried the Paypal resolution center route and unfortunately they do not offer returns on services rendered. Oh well lesson learned. Well, I feel badly for all of us who have been scammed by this jerk but I am glad this thread was created. FYI his screen name on 350zmotoring is "gtabadboy." he should have a huge buyer beware next to all of his posts.
This is the pic he sent me prior to mail me back my plenum. You think it was far enough away?
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Like stated earlier in the thread if you used a debit/credit card then contact your bank or your credit card company directly. They are able to do things that Paypal cant (or just chooses not to). In the totem pole of online buying your credit card company and bank sit atop, Paypal is underneath them and you are at the bottom. Believe me, if you contact your bank or credit card company you WILL get your money back.
I offered to refund the money if he shipped the merchandise back. He can throw it back in the same box and write return to sender and they will ship it back to me for free. I will refund the 150 for the box and 75 for the amp rack.
Or keep the box and the amp rack and Ill build another box out of MDF, to spec and post the pics of the entire build and finished product and have everyone on these threads determine whether or not it is good enough. Ill pay to ship it to him and supply vinyl to fill in the amp rack cubbies. The box will be free and you can keep the one you have.
Or keep the box and the amp rack and Ill build another box out of MDF, to spec and post the pics of the entire build and finished product and have everyone on these threads determine whether or not it is good enough. Ill pay to ship it to him and supply vinyl to fill in the amp rack cubbies. The box will be free and you can keep the one you have.
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I offered to refund the money if he shipped the merchandise back. He can throw it back in the same box and write return to sender and they will ship it back to me for free. I will refund the 150 for the box and 75 for the amp rack.
Or keep the box and the amp rack and Ill build another box out of MDF, to spec and post the pics of the entire build and finished product and have everyone on these threads determine whether or not it is good enough. Ill pay to ship it to him and supply vinyl to fill in the amp rack cubbies. The box will be free and you can keep the one you have.
Or keep the box and the amp rack and Ill build another box out of MDF, to spec and post the pics of the entire build and finished product and have everyone on these threads determine whether or not it is good enough. Ill pay to ship it to him and supply vinyl to fill in the amp rack cubbies. The box will be free and you can keep the one you have.
If i send the box back as is return to sender you will keep the money and the box. Even in that case you are still saying you're going to keep the $67 for shipping, that's bogus.
I don't want you to rebuild it for me out of mdf, i don't trust you or your work and plus your box is the wrong air volume and your cubies were the wrong dimensions, and i dont want to wait another month for you.
I've said this to you 20 times, just take it man, it's the easiest way.
Refund the $150 for the box. Refund the $75 for the amp rack.
This is me being generous...I'm taking a hit of $67 for shipping charges and garbage...this is by far the easiest option for you.
The other option i gave you was give me a full refund including price to ship it back and i'll ship it back.
Originally Posted by AParshall04
You keep doing the same things over and over Mike. Everytime you reply to me you forget things. I keep giving you simple solutions and you keep ignoring them.
If i send the box back as is return to sender you will keep the money and the box. Even in that case you are still saying you're going to keep the $67 for shipping, that's bogus.
I don't want you to rebuild it for me out of mdf, i don't trust you or your work and plus your box is the wrong air volume and your cubies were the wrong dimensions, and i dont want to wait another month for you.
I've said this to you 20 times, just take it man, it's the easiest way.
Refund the $150 for the box. Refund the $75 for the amp rack.
This is me being generous...I'm taking a hit of $67 for shipping charges and garbage...this is by far the easiest option for you.
The other option i gave you was give me a full refund including price to ship it back and i'll ship it back.
If i send the box back as is return to sender you will keep the money and the box. Even in that case you are still saying you're going to keep the $67 for shipping, that's bogus.
I don't want you to rebuild it for me out of mdf, i don't trust you or your work and plus your box is the wrong air volume and your cubies were the wrong dimensions, and i dont want to wait another month for you.
I've said this to you 20 times, just take it man, it's the easiest way.
Refund the $150 for the box. Refund the $75 for the amp rack.
This is me being generous...I'm taking a hit of $67 for shipping charges and garbage...this is by far the easiest option for you.
The other option i gave you was give me a full refund including price to ship it back and i'll ship it back.
this remind me of the guy with Velside hood problem. You just get smash the damn thing out, take picture to prove to him.
damn haha i didnt meant o start a flame war here
again, just to emphasize, i made my statement because in my mind, i was mostly horrified with the QUALITY of how the thing was built...in other wrods, if he used particle board, but made every effort to do it correctly, i would have given him a bit more credit.
jim if you are dead serious on the 1000 bucks, pm me your info...haha alex, how does this conern you? lol unless oyu got a private plane we can fly down together
remember, i said I will build the boxes...so this means with particle board box, i will simply brace it a lot better, i will use double triangle braces on every surface, with two cross braces on each surface...etc and then build the mdf box the same way, there honestly shouldnt be ANY difference.
also, please remember that my statement in my post was referring to simple mild single or dual sub enclousres, nto high spl or multi sub applications
as for why i use mdf? well, its hte same reason why i use good wire for every isntall, chances are if i went with cheaper power cable, i wont notice a sonic difference, but, its a differenc ein my mind, quality equals using the best products also, mdf is ALOT easier to work with, you can ut it very thin with out it falling apart, so i exclusively use mdf.
anyway, this is the last thing i will post on this issue haha, i am truly sorry for starting this off topic discussion. i just hope people can see my point was, and not think i am advocating particle board :P
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again, just to emphasize, i made my statement because in my mind, i was mostly horrified with the QUALITY of how the thing was built...in other wrods, if he used particle board, but made every effort to do it correctly, i would have given him a bit more credit.
jim if you are dead serious on the 1000 bucks, pm me your info...haha alex, how does this conern you? lol unless oyu got a private plane we can fly down together
remember, i said I will build the boxes...so this means with particle board box, i will simply brace it a lot better, i will use double triangle braces on every surface, with two cross braces on each surface...etc
and then build the mdf box the same way, there honestly shouldnt be ANY difference.also, please remember that my statement in my post was referring to simple mild single or dual sub enclousres, nto high spl or multi sub applications
as for why i use mdf? well, its hte same reason why i use good wire for every isntall, chances are if i went with cheaper power cable, i wont notice a sonic difference, but, its a differenc ein my mind, quality equals using the best products
also, mdf is ALOT easier to work with, you can ut it very thin with out it falling apart, so i exclusively use mdf.anyway, this is the last thing i will post on this issue haha, i am truly sorry for starting this off topic discussion. i just hope people can see my point was, and not think i am advocating particle board :P
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Also let us rewind because on the phone before this thread started you wanted to return the box. I told you I WOULD take the box back and could refund everything 150 and 75 but shipping. Most companies give refunds but NEVER refund shipping costs. I am not scamming anyone. If I wanted to scam you I would have taken your money and not built anything. I did put some time in the box.
How about I send you a payment for the 350z box and rack that I built you. I can send payment through paypal first for 225 before you ship the box to me. Then you can put the label on it and write return to sender. I am protected by paypal that you will ship me the box and rack and you get your money right away.
I am not going to refund you the money and you keep everything. That is not right. In any circumstance, you will not be able to receive a refund through paypal,credit card company, or law suit until you return the merchandise.
If I do build you another box pics will be posted here for everyone to view and the box will be shipped out this Monday. You determine the dimensions and all pics of every area on the box are posted here. You can communicate with me through this thrad so everybody can see what is going on. I will pay for shipping and you can keep the rack and box.
How about I send you a payment for the 350z box and rack that I built you. I can send payment through paypal first for 225 before you ship the box to me. Then you can put the label on it and write return to sender. I am protected by paypal that you will ship me the box and rack and you get your money right away.
I am not going to refund you the money and you keep everything. That is not right. In any circumstance, you will not be able to receive a refund through paypal,credit card company, or law suit until you return the merchandise.
If I do build you another box pics will be posted here for everyone to view and the box will be shipped out this Monday. You determine the dimensions and all pics of every area on the box are posted here. You can communicate with me through this thrad so everybody can see what is going on. I will pay for shipping and you can keep the rack and box.
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A. You're not a business, you're a student that works in his garage...
B. Why should i take the hit of $67 and go through the effort of shipping it back. I want $292 back, not $225. Why the hell should i pay $67 FOR NOTHING!?!
Edit: this is so phucking stupid, i keep having the same conversation with him in PMs and on this thread...this is getting old
B. Why should i take the hit of $67 and go through the effort of shipping it back. I want $292 back, not $225. Why the hell should i pay $67 FOR NOTHING!?!
Edit: this is so phucking stupid, i keep having the same conversation with him in PMs and on this thread...this is getting old
I will return you all the money except shipping charges. That is all I can offer.
Ill even give you half the money back 115 to fix any probems and you keep the box.
I have also offered to build a box that everyone on this thread can see and they can determine whether or not it is good enough. Ill ship it to you and pay for shipping and you can keep the box and amp rack.
No matter who you contact you will have to ship me the merchandise before you get a refund. It will cost you money to ship me the box and rack which you will be out so not matter what happens you are going to be out 67. Everytime I had a problem with merchandise and got a refund I did not get my shipping costs back...that's life...that's how it works.
You have plenty of options to choose from here.
Ill even give you half the money back 115 to fix any probems and you keep the box.
I have also offered to build a box that everyone on this thread can see and they can determine whether or not it is good enough. Ill ship it to you and pay for shipping and you can keep the box and amp rack.
No matter who you contact you will have to ship me the merchandise before you get a refund. It will cost you money to ship me the box and rack which you will be out so not matter what happens you are going to be out 67. Everytime I had a problem with merchandise and got a refund I did not get my shipping costs back...that's life...that's how it works.
You have plenty of options to choose from here.
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I will return you all the money except shipping charges. That is all I can offer.
Ill even give you half the money back 115 to fix any probems and you keep the box.
I have also offered to build a box that everyone on this thread can see and they can determine whether or not it is good enough. Ill ship it to you and pay for shipping and you can keep the box and amp rack.
No matter who you contact you will have to ship me the merchandise before you get a refund. It will cost you money to ship me the box and rack which you will be out so not matter what happens you are going to be out 67. Everytime I had a problem with merchandise and got a refund I did not get my shipping costs back...that's life...that's how it works.
You have plenty of options to choose from here.
Ill even give you half the money back 115 to fix any probems and you keep the box.
I have also offered to build a box that everyone on this thread can see and they can determine whether or not it is good enough. Ill ship it to you and pay for shipping and you can keep the box and amp rack.
No matter who you contact you will have to ship me the merchandise before you get a refund. It will cost you money to ship me the box and rack which you will be out so not matter what happens you are going to be out 67. Everytime I had a problem with merchandise and got a refund I did not get my shipping costs back...that's life...that's how it works.
You have plenty of options to choose from here.
Option 1: i lose $67 for trying to buy something...wtf
Option 2: $115 to fix "problems" - the problem is it wont work! I can't just fix the box man, it's the wrong dimensions for my sub and the rack is the wrong dimensions for my xbox and amp.
Option 3: Rebuild: i don't trust your work and i shouldn't have to wait again just for you to build something i'm not going to want.
I gave you 2 reasonable options
Option 1: return all my money and i send the box back
Option 2: refund me for the box and rack and i don't have to figure out how to make this thing fit into a box that will actually fit in my car (i drive a 350z remember, that huge box is not going to fit into my car)
Companies dont refund shipping charges only because they are not at fault (customers ordered wrong size, color etc).....Apparently, it is not the case here!!!!
Look at Dell, they even go as far to give customers something extra (a free printer) if customers are not satisfied with the products received...
Look at Dell, they even go as far to give customers something extra (a free printer) if customers are not satisfied with the products received...
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Companies dont refund shipping charges only because they are not at fault (customers ordered wrong size, color etc).....Apparently, it is not the case here!!!!
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