Opinions on the Fosgate P3 series subwoofers
12-07-2007, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by vo7848
I appreciate the comparison my friend, but like I said earlier. The enclosure I purchased is what I have to work with. You know, I know, hell we all all know that a ported enclosure with a better sub will sound better. I repeat, we all know it. I am not trying to get into a pi$$ing contest with you about your design vs. my design, and which one will sound better.
Like originally stated, I have a Zenclosure sitting in my garage. It can house 2 twelves with 1.10 cu ft of airspace in each compartment. I'm am contemplating 2 P3 RF's because they work will with the specs of the enclosure I already have sitting in my garage. I am not going to go have another enclosure made. I had a T1. It's blown. I need 2 subs. Opinions are welcomed on the set up I'm contemplating. Opinions on better subs that would be compatible with the enclosure I already have are also welcome.
I repeat, I am not trading in the zenclosure for another design, and my original T1 12 is broke. It is not working. It rattles when I play music. I need 2 (two) subs that are compatible with the enclosure I have already.
VO(clarifies things)
Like originally stated, I have a Zenclosure sitting in my garage. It can house 2 twelves with 1.10 cu ft of airspace in each compartment. I'm am contemplating 2 P3 RF's because they work will with the specs of the enclosure I already have sitting in my garage. I am not going to go have another enclosure made. I had a T1. It's blown. I need 2 subs. Opinions are welcomed on the set up I'm contemplating. Opinions on better subs that would be compatible with the enclosure I already have are also welcome.
I repeat, I am not trading in the zenclosure for another design, and my original T1 12 is broke. It is not working. It rattles when I play music. I need 2 (two) subs that are compatible with the enclosure I have already.
VO(clarifies things)
use the box you have
just buy 2 each RD audio classics instead of RF p3 and your straight money
i can get RD cheap
thge classics are SQ woofers that work well in 1 to 1.5 net cubes sealed
They were designed and built to be small sealed enclosure SQ subwoofers. When we tested them in small ported boxes we were extremely pleased. When tuned to the mid 30's they have a flat response. They are built off the same concept as the Alpha series. They offer a good amount of output with no distortion. The can accurately reproduce any bass note with ease regardless of what style of music you fancy.
Woofer Description
Vacuum formed polymica cone body with reinforced cone collar
Extended neck joints on cone, coil, and spider
Butyl rubber surround
Waterproof
Vented cone
2 inch long excursion voice coil
Rounded deep back plate
Low carbon front and back plate
Powerful dual stacked 55 oz magnets
Cast basket
Integrated tinsel leads
2.5" long excursion motor structure
Available in 15" built upon order
Box suggestions: Please contact us through email to get a box custom designed to meet your needs.
Port and driver already included-
Classic 10"
.75 ft3 sealed 1.0 ft3 sealed
1.5 ft3 with a 4" round or 12.5" slot port by 10.4" deep tuned at 44hz
2.0 ft3 with a 4" round or 12.5" slot port by 10.25" deep tuned at 37hz
Classic 12"
1.0 ft3 sealed 1.5 ft3 sealed
2.0 ft3 with a 4" round or 12.5" slot port by 12" deep tuned at 35hz
2.5 ft3 with a 20 square inch port by 16.33" deep tuned at 35hz *a lot less port noise
2.0 ft3 with a 20 square inch port by 12" deep tuned at 44hz * high output
Specifications coming soon
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12-07-2007, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by 350zspl
use the box you have
just buy 2 each RD audio classics instead of RF p3 and your straight money
i can get RD cheap
thge classics are SQ woofers that work well in 1 to 1.5 net cubes sealed
They were designed and built to be small sealed enclosure SQ subwoofers. When we tested them in small ported boxes we were extremely pleased. When tuned to the mid 30's they have a flat response. They are built off the same concept as the Alpha series. They offer a good amount of output with no distortion. The can accurately reproduce any bass note with ease regardless of what style of music you fancy.
Woofer Description
Vacuum formed polymica cone body with reinforced cone collar
Extended neck joints on cone, coil, and spider
Butyl rubber surround
Waterproof
Vented cone
2 inch long excursion voice coil
Rounded deep back plate
Low carbon front and back plate
Powerful dual stacked 55 oz magnets
Cast basket
Integrated tinsel leads
2.5" long excursion motor structure
Available in 15" built upon order
Box suggestions: Please contact us through email to get a box custom designed to meet your needs.
Port and driver already included-
Classic 12"
1.0 ft3 sealed 1.5 ft3 sealed
just buy 2 each RD audio classics instead of RF p3 and your straight money
i can get RD cheap
thge classics are SQ woofers that work well in 1 to 1.5 net cubes sealed
They were designed and built to be small sealed enclosure SQ subwoofers. When we tested them in small ported boxes we were extremely pleased. When tuned to the mid 30's they have a flat response. They are built off the same concept as the Alpha series. They offer a good amount of output with no distortion. The can accurately reproduce any bass note with ease regardless of what style of music you fancy.
Woofer Description
Vacuum formed polymica cone body with reinforced cone collar
Extended neck joints on cone, coil, and spider
Butyl rubber surround
Waterproof
Vented cone
2 inch long excursion voice coil
Rounded deep back plate
Low carbon front and back plate
Powerful dual stacked 55 oz magnets
Cast basket
Integrated tinsel leads
2.5" long excursion motor structure
Available in 15" built upon order
Box suggestions: Please contact us through email to get a box custom designed to meet your needs.
Port and driver already included-
Classic 12"
1.0 ft3 sealed 1.5 ft3 sealed
Would you mind posted a link to these RD audiio classics please? I tried a few different ways of inputting them in the yahoo search engine, but came up with nothing. 
Edit: I found the link. My mistake, I was typing in the wrong thing..
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12-07-2007, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by 350zspl
what is your zip code i am on phone with rd audio right now
12-07-2007, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by StreetOC192
Hey Vo, are you going more for SQ or SPL?
Based on what I do know, I'm going for SQ...
12-07-2007, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by vo7848
You know, to be totally honest with you, I'm not too savvy on the SQ vs. SPL concept. I know alittle, but not enough to sound like I know what I'm talking about. Based on what I do know, I'm going for SQ...
Based on what I do know, I'm going for SQ...www.rdaudio.net
i can do for you
2 each brand new 12" RD Audio Classics DVC 4 ohm 1 year warranty
12 spoke basket 6.75" mounting depth , 1.25 to 1.5 cu ft net is perfect per sub
$ 450 shipped to your door on both subs new
so for an extra $ 50 you rgetting gold instead of mainstream over rated over priced RF crap
and i can do 1 each brand new RD audio 1750.1 mono block amp $ 500 shipped to your door 1 year warranty
or i can do 1 each brand new Rd audio 1000.1 nono block shipped brand new to your door for $ 400 shipped to your door
12-07-2007, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by vo7848
You know, to be totally honest with you, I'm not too savvy on the SQ vs. SPL concept. I know alittle, but not enough to sound like I know what I'm talking about. Based on what I do know, I'm going for SQ...
Based on what I do know, I'm going for SQ...Linky:
http://www.madisound.com/catalog/pro...oducts_id=1735
For more sound and FLAIR (since you show your car) an impressive sub that works with your enclosure would be the Audiopulse Revo (Audiopulse is the old TC Sounds). This sub is more for SPL than SQ, but it will kick some butt and it looks good doing it. but I don't know of any authorized dealers....you'de have to call and locate one.
Linky:
http://www.audiopulse.com/products/s...r-drivers/revo
Hope that helps.
12-07-2007, 11:18 AM
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Well I must say, the RD's aren't the sightliest sub out there..
12-07-2007, 11:19 AM
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Specifications
1750.1
Number of Channels:
Output: RMS @ 4 Ohms
250
RMS @ 2 Ohms
800
RMS @ 1 Ohms
1750
T.H.D.
<0.1%
SIGNAL TO NOISE RATIO:
105db
Dimensions in Inches
Strapable
Yes
Fuse rating
150
1000.1
Specifications
1000.1
Number of Channels:
1
Output: RMS @ 4 Ohms
150
RMS @ 2 Ohms
500
RMS @ 1 Ohms
1100
T.H.D.
< 0.1%
SIGNAL TO NOISE RATIO:
105db
Dimensions in Inches
18.5x 10x 2.2
Strapable
Yes
Fuse rating
100
1750.1
Number of Channels:
Output: RMS @ 4 Ohms
250
RMS @ 2 Ohms
800
RMS @ 1 Ohms
1750
T.H.D.
<0.1%
SIGNAL TO NOISE RATIO:
105db
Dimensions in Inches
Strapable
Yes
Fuse rating
150
1000.1
Specifications
1000.1
Number of Channels:
1
Output: RMS @ 4 Ohms
150
RMS @ 2 Ohms
500
RMS @ 1 Ohms
1100
T.H.D.
< 0.1%
SIGNAL TO NOISE RATIO:
105db
Dimensions in Inches
18.5x 10x 2.2
Strapable
Yes
Fuse rating
100
12-07-2007, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by StreetOC192
I know I may seem crazy, but for an SQ setup, the Peerless XXLS subs are a fantastic choice. I'm actually thinking of swapping out my Diamond D610 for a Peerless XXLS 10". The XXLS12" wants about 1.5 sealed, but with the 1.1 you have, a little polyfill will make the sub think it's in a slightly larger enclosure.
+1 on the Polyfill. I may have to do this...
Originally Posted by StreetOC192
I may have missed it in this thread but what power are you dealing with? The Peerless want 250 RMS each. They are single 4ohm coils each.
Originally Posted by StreetOC192
For more sound and FLAIR (since you show your car) an impressive sub that works with your enclosure would be the Audiopulse Revo (Audiopulse is the old TC Sounds). This sub is more for SPL than SQ, but it will kick some butt and it looks good doing it. but I don't know of any authorized dealers....you'de have to call and locate one.
Linky:
http://www.audiopulse.com/products/s...r-drivers/revo
Hope that helps.
Linky:
http://www.audiopulse.com/products/s...r-drivers/revo
Hope that helps.
12-07-2007, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by 350zspl
www.rdaudio.net
i can do for you
2 each brand new 12" RD Audio Classics DVC 4 ohm 1 year warranty
12 spoke basket 6.75" mounting depth , 1.25 to 1.5 cu ft net is perfect per sub
$ 450 shipped to your door on both subs new
i can do for you
2 each brand new 12" RD Audio Classics DVC 4 ohm 1 year warranty
12 spoke basket 6.75" mounting depth , 1.25 to 1.5 cu ft net is perfect per sub
$ 450 shipped to your door on both subs new
12-07-2007, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by vo7848
Oh, I like these! The Revo's are a bit much for me, but the Epic's looked more up my alley..
12-07-2007, 11:37 AM
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Well I must say, the RD's aren't the sightliest sub out there..
actually the RD come from the same build house in oxnard california as atomic
RF is made in china
RD is made in the USA
all RD subs are made from the cadillac of parts
here is my RD alpha 15" V.2 rated at 2000-2500 rms and i feed it 10,000 watts no botttoming out, no voice coil burning handles the power like a champ
RD super heavy weights take 30,000 watt burps
12-07-2007, 11:51 AM
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^^ Those are some impressive pictures.
I found another of your SPL designs during an earlier search.
I was impressed with this also. VVV
I believe I made a mistake about what I said ealier. I had the SQ and SPL mixed up. I do enjoy the nice hammering of SPL, but also enjoy replicating fine music/notes. I don't suppose there is a driver that offers the best of both worlds, given the enclosure and power I'm dealing with.
I found another of your SPL designs during an earlier search.
I was impressed with this also. VVV
I believe I made a mistake about what I said ealier. I had the SQ and SPL mixed up. I do enjoy the nice hammering of SPL, but also enjoy replicating fine music/notes. I don't suppose there is a driver that offers the best of both worlds, given the enclosure and power I'm dealing with.
12-07-2007, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by vo7848
I don't suppose there is a driver that offers the best of both worlds, given the enclosure and power I'm dealing with.
EDIT - it looks as if the IDQv3 is only offered in a 10".....sorry
If you don't mind spending the cash, the IDMAX would also fit the bill nicely:
http://www.imagedynamicsstore.com/id...fer-p-112.html
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12-07-2007, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by StreetOC192
If you don't mind spending the cash, the IDMAX would also fit the bill nicely:
http://www.imagedynamicsstore.com/id...fer-p-112.html
http://www.imagedynamicsstore.com/id...fer-p-112.html
12-07-2007, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by vo7848
^^ Those are some impressive pictures.
I found another of your SPL designs during an earlier search.
I was impressed with this also. VVV
I believe I made a mistake about what I said ealier. I had the SQ and SPL mixed up. I do enjoy the nice hammering of SPL, but also enjoy replicating fine music/notes. I don't suppose there is a driver that offers the best of both worlds, given the enclosure and power I'm dealing with.
I found another of your SPL designs during an earlier search.
I was impressed with this also. VVV
I believe I made a mistake about what I said ealier. I had the SQ and SPL mixed up. I do enjoy the nice hammering of SPL, but also enjoy replicating fine music/notes. I don't suppose there is a driver that offers the best of both worlds, given the enclosure and power I'm dealing with.
see this is the deal
SPL cars are as loud as you can possibly make them , playing hertz tones, to gain the highest possible DB reading
SQ cars are for the highest level of refinement , best sound , and imageing trying to get all front stage pointed to the center of your roof like the dome light dead center of headliner
usually SQ cars run 250-1000 watts for mids and highs , and 250-1000 watts on sub or subs
trying to get perfect imaging and speaker placement and hours of lositening tuning and dialing in
now for me i am all out SPL for competition , playing 45 hertz tones with 10k watts will do it
however i want to also have a daily set up that sounds amazing on music and simply KILLS the lower frequencies 25-40 hertz
so i have boxes to compete with tuned at 45 hertz and peak at 50 hertz for competition and playing tones
during the other daily days i want a boz tuned to 30 hertz to kill the lows , this is were SQL comes in basically an SPL sub but with softer suspension , 3" voice coils instead of 4" spl voice coils , but remember these sql subs also have to handle the 10K watts that i compete with
best way to get a combination of both is to buy a
Stetsom 7k vulcan
Sundown 3000 amp
Digital designs z1a amp
RD audio 5750.1 or 7000.1 amp
Atomic 5000.1 or 7000.1 amp
hifonics sampson or maxximus amps
the above amps have the juice to get high numbers on the meter and with a simple box swap from a 45 hertz box to a 30 hertz box now after the competition i can use my daily ground punder that has excellent SQ that gets loud hence SQL
if you want a happy medium buy a
RD Alpha sub
Digital designs 9500 g series sub
atomic apocalypse sub
FI BTL sub
RE MT sub
and run them at full rms
and tune the box to 35 hertz ported
this will allow great music listening , kill the lows , and meter well playing 40 hertz tones
12-07-2007, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 350zspl
see this is the deal
SPL cars are as loud as you can possibly make them , playing hertz tones, to gain the highest possible DB reading
SQ cars are for the highest level of refinement , best sound , and imageing trying to get all front stage pointed to the center of your roof like the dome light dead center of headliner
usually SQ cars run 250-1000 watts for mids and highs , and 250-1000 watts on sub or subs
trying to get perfect imaging and speaker placement and hours of lositening tuning and dialing in
now for me i am all out SPL for competition , playing 45 hertz tones with 10k watts will do it
however i want to also have a daily set up that sounds amazing on music and simply KILLS the lower frequencies 25-40 hertz
so i have boxes to compete with tuned at 45 hertz and peak at 50 hertz for competition and playing tones
during the other daily days i want a boz tuned to 30 hertz to kill the lows , this is were SQL comes in basically an SPL sub but with softer suspension , 3" voice coils instead of 4" spl voice coils , but remember these sql subs also have to handle the 10K watts that i compete with
best way to get a combination of both is to buy a
Stetsom 7k vulcan
Sundown 3000 amp
Digital designs z1a amp
RD audio 5750.1 or 7000.1 amp
Atomic 5000.1 or 7000.1 amp
hifonics sampson or maxximus amps
the above amps have the juice to get high numbers on the meter and with a simple box swap from a 45 hertz box to a 30 hertz box now after the competition i can use my daily ground punder that has excellent SQ that gets loud hence SQL
if you want a happy medium buy a
RD Alpha sub
Digital designs 9500 g series sub
atomic apocalypse sub
FI BTL sub
RE MT sub
and run them at full rms
and tune the box to 35 hertz ported
this will allow great music listening , kill the lows , and meter well playing 40 hertz tones
SPL cars are as loud as you can possibly make them , playing hertz tones, to gain the highest possible DB reading
SQ cars are for the highest level of refinement , best sound , and imageing trying to get all front stage pointed to the center of your roof like the dome light dead center of headliner
usually SQ cars run 250-1000 watts for mids and highs , and 250-1000 watts on sub or subs
trying to get perfect imaging and speaker placement and hours of lositening tuning and dialing in
now for me i am all out SPL for competition , playing 45 hertz tones with 10k watts will do it
however i want to also have a daily set up that sounds amazing on music and simply KILLS the lower frequencies 25-40 hertz
so i have boxes to compete with tuned at 45 hertz and peak at 50 hertz for competition and playing tones
during the other daily days i want a boz tuned to 30 hertz to kill the lows , this is were SQL comes in basically an SPL sub but with softer suspension , 3" voice coils instead of 4" spl voice coils , but remember these sql subs also have to handle the 10K watts that i compete with
best way to get a combination of both is to buy a
Stetsom 7k vulcan
Sundown 3000 amp
Digital designs z1a amp
RD audio 5750.1 or 7000.1 amp
Atomic 5000.1 or 7000.1 amp
hifonics sampson or maxximus amps
the above amps have the juice to get high numbers on the meter and with a simple box swap from a 45 hertz box to a 30 hertz box now after the competition i can use my daily ground punder that has excellent SQ that gets loud hence SQL
if you want a happy medium buy a
RD Alpha sub
Digital designs 9500 g series sub
atomic apocalypse sub
FI BTL sub
RE MT sub
and run them at full rms
and tune the box to 35 hertz ported
this will allow great music listening , kill the lows , and meter well playing 40 hertz tones
12-12-2007, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 350zspl
FI BTL sub
Holy Christ! I looked these subs up and happen to come across a youtube video of four 18's powered by 17k watts. Crazy!
I'm still researching the other subs you listed under the "happy medium" catagory.
So far I've looked at the Digital designs 9500g series:
http://www.ddaudio.com/dd/caraudio/w...p?series=9500g
RD alphas:
http://www.acoustic-visions.com/~aco...vers/RD_Alpha/
They are impressive subs, but I don't believe I have the kind of power necessary to drive them. I checked out the owners manual for my sub amp this weekend. It's been awhile since I looked at it. I have a RF P8002. 400 watts x 2 @ 2ohm. I know it wasn't the best amp for sub applications when I purchased it, but my knowledge of different amp classes was limited at the time.