Just out of interest I thought I'd find the best ever acceleration times for the S2000 and 350Z. Interestingly they are both from Germany (not the same magaizne or article so they are not directly comparable ... but still of interest):

350Z Track:
- 0-60kph = 2.8
- 0-80kph = 4.2
- 0-100kph = 5.8
- 0-120kph = 8.0
- 0-160kph = 13.6
- 0-200kph = 22.8

S2000:
- 0-60kph = 2.8
- 0-80kph = 4.3
- 0-100kph = 5.9
- 0-120kph = 8.3
- 0-160kph = 14.2
- 0-200kph = 24.4

ps. While I had my S2000 I also did some 'comparisions' with a friend who has an S15 200SX. I was just looking over the notes that I've got from that comparision, and by looking at it I'm guessing that a 200SX would be just as quick to 100kph (if not quicker) than a stock 350Z. I'm guessing that it could beat it by 1 car-lengths in a 40 - 100kph sprint. Over 100kph I'm sure that the stock 350Z is quicker, but I don't think that it would get even with the 200SX till around 140 - 150kph.

Anyone had a chance to go with the Zed against a S15 200SX?

 

Had a drag from 0-100 the other day with a 200sx. Don't know if it was a S15??? Was a brand new one full of stickers and had a lot of mods - exhaust, wheels (big negative camber), etc.

Pretty much dead even from the start with the zed pulling away slighty towards the end. Didn't stop to chat with the guy so I don't know the specs he was running but the zed (auto) was ever so slightly faster.

 

Thanks for that Lionking ... if my friend was still in Melbourne then I'd line him up again myself (as his car is 100% stock).

Had a drag from 0-100 the other day with a 200sx. Don't know if it was a S15??? Was a brand new one

Yep, the latest shape is S15.

 

my sister recently purchased a s15. as soon as she gets insurance on it maybe my brother will take it for a run.

we've tried a chase run. 350z in front and s15 behind. s15 feels quicker in 1st and 2nd (obviously because it's lighter) and has no trouble keeping on the 350z' **** but in 3rd 350z seems like it pulls more.

*though my sister has an exhaust system w/ extractors and a pod filter with 18" rims. my brother's car is completely stock with full vs1 bodykit and 19" rims, that's probably why the s15 kept up so well. i want to see how much of a difference the hi-tech exhaust will make

 

Had a drag with a Silvia??? today. Looked just like the new 200sx S15. Are these the same cars? Was modded up with exhaust, wheels etc. Don't know about engine mods - didn't stop to ask. Anyway rolled from the lights and powered on about 10 kph to 90 kph. Had a good 1 to 1.5 lengths on him. Wasn't much of a challenge for a stock auto 350z.

 

Could be any one of these.

http://www.importdriver.com.au/Coupe_Targa.htm

FROZZZTY

 

Anyway rolled from the lights and powered on about 10 kph to 90 kph.

If you 'rolled' from the lights and went from 10kph then you beat him with the low-end torque. The S15 200SX is not exaclty guttless at low revs, but it's not a torque monster like the 350Z (or a Commodore). I'd guess that you pulled that distance almost imediatelly and then just kep on stretching it (ie. if you have an advantage at the start, then unless the other car is quicker than you, then you'll always be pulling away).

If you race an S2000 from a 10kph roll, you'll win by at least 2x as much. S2000 vs S15 200SX from a 10kph roll sees the S15 200SX pull away good couple cars straight away and hold it 'till 100kph.

To make the fight 'fair' you need to go from around 30 - 40kph (as then the S15 has enough revs/boost). Or let him light up the rear tyres (which is hard with a stranger). I don't think that there are many cars that can hang with the 350Z from a 10kph roll ... afterall, most cars would be pulling around 1000rpm at that speed ... even an S2000 with it's 9000rpm redline is pulling a measly 1300rpm at 10kph.

It'll take a car with a bigger engine to beat (or hang) with the 350Z from 10kph roll. A Commodore SS would give you a good run for it's money and a HSV has an advantage there.

Thanks for posting ... it's always good to hear about things like this.

ps. This is what an S15 200SX (ie. the latest one) looks like ... was it a car like that:
http://www.jetspeed.com.au/media/ima...ew/S15kit1.jpg
http://www.discountnewcars.com.au/ca...0sx_spec_r.jpg

 

This is the car (minus the mods)
http://www.autospeed.com/cms/article.html?&A=1154

 

This is the car (minus the mods)http://www.autospeed.com/cms/article.html?&A=1154

Cool, so we are talking about the same car.

ps. The S15 WRX has better pull than a WRX (and that is even the older shape one that was lighter). It is only in the middrange that the WRX has the advantage. Though, at low-revs (ie. bellow 40kph) the S15 200SX is quicker and also over 140kph it is quicker. The newer WRXs are nowhere as quick with the MY03 getting close.

So from a 10kph roll, we should be 'eating' all WRXs as well as STi's (which don't have much power untill 4000rpm). Though, watch out for all the local V8s.

 

Thats assuming the Sti doesn't rev to 6000rpm and sidestep the clutch.

I'm yet to see any standard car that can "eat" a WRX Sti off the line. Well the ones that do tend to be in the riddiculous price range or grey imports.

I'm yet to put the Sti vs the Hitech 350z... maybe in a few weeks if I can get the Sti to come down to Wakefield.

 

Thats assuming the Sti doesn't rev to 6000rpm and sidestep the clutch.

Absolutelly ... but that goes for any other car with a low-end-power deficit (ie. S2000, 200SX, WRX etc). Though, I have never seen/heard of anyone actually doing that while moving. From my experience you either drop the clutch while you're stationary, or you 'roll out'. Have you ever met anyone who does 'that' while on the move?

Though, I'm not even sure if that is of benefit if you try and do that when the 'other' car has already floored it. To press the clutch, rev the car and then drop the clutch - it must take time ... I would not be surprised to see the 'other' car pull away a car lengths or two as it's already in gear and accelerating. I'm only speculating here as I have no experience with this.

I'm yet to see any standard car that can "eat" a WRX Sti off the line. Well the ones that do tend to be in the riddiculous price range or grey imports.

That goes for the WRX as well ... there is very little that can stay next to it (or in front of it) when launched from (close to) the redline. Mostly you 'chase' and 'pass' WRXs ... it's close to impossible to stay with it off the line.

That is unless you have a 911, one of few cars that can outlaunch a WRX and even an STi. All that weight over the rear-wheels and all that power and rubber there makes the 911 an awesome 'launcher'.

I'm yet to put the Sti vs the Hitech 350z... maybe in a few weeks if I can get the Sti to come down to Wakefield.

Sounds good, I'll be interested to hear what you have to say. Most of my experiences with the STi's is in the S2000 and on the straight/s of the local tracks. When are you planning on going to Wakefield?

ps. There was an STi and 350Z comparision in Motor (or was it Wheels) magazine ... according to them the 350Z (stock) was a tiny fraction quicker once on the move. Though the STi posted the better standing start numbers.

 

Though, I have never seen/heard of anyone actually doing that while moving. From my experience you either drop the clutch while you're stationary, or you 'roll out'. Have you ever met anyone who does 'that' while on the move?

Yes, you just punch the clutch and side step as you floor it. Being on the move doesn't change the principle.

As for how quickly it can be done? You aren't changing gears, it's so fast you wouldn't be able to put a time on it once you practice the motion.

When are you planning on going to Wakefield?

not sure, 2 weeks or so. I'll ring them to see when the street cars are allowed on. I'll post a thread to invit anyone interested anyway.

 

SORRY FELLAS - I've had a standard wrx '99, a '99 (2-door) sti and a slightly modded 'oo wrx in the shed at this moment.
Let me tell you, under normal conditions the 350 WILL NOT OUTDRAG ANY OF THEM, anywhere.
Particularly the sti - from 3250 to 8 grand, that thing was violent.
The exhilerating acceleration in 2nd with all four wheels scrabbling is what I miss most now with the z.
The z is a boulevarde cruiser with a very wide spread of power/torque that makes great driving for the ladies.
But handling - that's another thing - I reckon the wrx's are temperamental handlers compared with the z -I never got to like it's handling ever having always had r/w oversteer stuff, - but that's not the issue at hand.
Sorry to dampen your enthusiasm, but its hard to argue otherwise having been the same driver in all cases.

FROZZLED

 

Power to weight ratio should say it all.

 

 

Let me tell you, under normal conditions the 350 WILL NOT OUTDRAG ANY OF THEM, anywhere.

The STi that the Motor/Wheels mag compare is the new one and that is what most of my comments related to. The new STi is no quicker than the S2000 once on the move (ie. there's very little between them). I know that because I could pass them on the straight if I entered in right on their but. Though, they could do the same to me under the same conditions. Also if there was enough of a gap between us, than that gap did not really change on the straight.

I've had a standard wrx '99, a '99 (2-door) sti and a slightly modded 'oo wrx in the shed at this moment.

Are you saying that a standard '99 WRX is quicker than the 350Z? If so, then that does not agree with the '98 WRX + exhaust that my friend had. That car was about as quick as the S2000 to around 130kph, but over that the S2000 was noticably quicker. I'd expect the 350Z to be the same over 100kph, but slower bellow 100kph. WRXs (even the old ones) are very quick bellow ~130kph, but over that they loose some of their pull. A 5.7L Commodore will decisively on the '99 WRX when over 100kph.

On the other hand if you are just talking about the '99 STi then again, they are very fast. Though, they were only marginally quicker than the S2000 when over 70kph. They were quicker, but they were gaining pretty slowly on the the S2000 when on the straight. Local magazines clocked them at 13.0sec to 160kph. Considering that they could do 5.5 (or less) to 100kph due to their 4WD launch, that means that they were doing 100 - 160kph in around 7.5secs. Now if you look at the stock 350Z numbers that I posted above (ie. 0-100kph in around 6 and 0-160kph in 13.6), that means that the Zed does 100 - 160kph in just under 8secs. ~.5 sec difference from 100-160kph between the 2 cars is not that much ... that's like 3kph speed differential at around 160kph.

I have a friend who had a '99 STi (stock) and that car felt brutally quick, but once on the move, the '92 911 that he replaced it with was no slower (and actually quicker over 160kph). I think it's the turbo-rush that makes it feel that quick ... though, a current breed of HSVs will blow them away once on the move as they do 160kph in 11.5 - 13secs (depeding on power levels) and that is despite them not being able to launch as well as the STi.

Though, you did mention that your STi was modded. What did you have done to it? .... maybe yours was in a different league to the cars that I'm familiar with.

Power to weight ratio should say it all.

'03 STi = 1480kg and 195kW. power-to-weight = 7.6
'99 STi = 1290kg and 205kW. power-to-weight = 6.3
'03 WRX = 1390kg and 168kW. power-to-weight = 8.3
'99 WRX = 1260kg and 160kW. power-to-weight = 7.9
'03 Commodore SS = 1640kg and 245kW. power-to-weight = 6.7
'02 HSV Clubsport = 1680kg and 265kW. power-to-weight = 6.3
'03 HSV R8 = 1690kg and 285kW. power-to-weight = 5.9
'02 HSV GTS = 1710kg and 300kW. power-to-weight = 5.7
'03 350Z = 1450kg and 206kW = 7.0
'03 350Z+hitech = ~1440kg and ~220kW = 6.5
'03 S2000 = 1259kg and 176kW = 7.1

 

Hey DavidM,
Just stumbled onto this website where you can compare all types of cars with the 350Z. Don't kow how reliable the info is but looks like a bit of fun.

http://www.car-videos.com/performanc...ID1=188&ID2=26

 

Just stumbled onto this website where you can compare all types of cars with the 350Z. Don't kow how reliable the info is but looks like a bit of fun.

Thanks for the link ... I've seen that site before. All the numbers there are just 'hypothetical' as they are calculated from manufactures specs (ie. power figures, weight and gearing). So I'd say not accurate at all ... still fun to look through. Good example is here (whre you can see their Boxster S numbers):

http://www.car-videos.com/performanc...d1=188&id2=236

Boxster S 0-100mph (ie. 160kph) in 14.5secs? I have not seen a Boxster S time (localy) for 0-160kph that is slower than 13.5secs. I've even seen one that dipped just under 13secs. That's a big difference right there between 13secs and 14.5secs. Most car's like this (and 350Z) can accelerate another 10kph in the space of 1.7sec at those speeds. Come to think of it they very recently clocked a 'regular' 2.7L Boxster in 14.5secs to 160kph.

Ideally, I much prefer either seeing it for myself, or having a mag compare the cars at the same time and place.

 

Guys

Are you trying to tell me that the Hi Tech exhausts on your zeds give you 14kw???? You're cracking jokes right??

I have an S2000 and remember when Lamros (Hi Tech) released an exhaust claiming +20HP as well. It all worked out to be BS!!! Not even all the Jap brands with all their R & D could get more than 9hp at most with the S & that was with intake as well!

Has anyone had before and after runs on an independant dyno yet?

Dont get me wrong & think I am Zed bashing cause I am not! I luv em & I am actually considering buying one as i have had the S2K for over 3 years now. But please be very sceptical about the claims of Hi-Tech!

 

I have an S2000 and remember when Lamros (Hi Tech) released an exhaust claiming +20HP as well.

Yep, but you know very well that S2000 is pretty much maxed out from the factory and almost all components deliver optimum performance. It's all hi-quality stuff on the S2000 (in terms of power in particular). On the other hand the 350Z is not quite 'maxed out' like that ... Jap tuners are easily pushing extra 50hp (ie. 330hp at the crank) out of the car with nothing else but exhaust, chip and intake. Not possible with the S2000.

If you ever get in a 350Z, coming from the S2000 you'll notice that the engine will be the biggest dissapointment (ie. as it was for me). Not because it's not strong, but because once you get over 5000rpm or so, it just runs out of puff. Something as simple as the exhaust fixes that and actually gives the 350Z some kind of top end. Not only that, but it saves you good 15 - 20kg.

btw, I would have not believed the claims myself unless I was taken for a ride in a Hi-tech exhaust equiped 350Z. That is what I did and that is what sold me of the purchase of the 350Z. Going for a drive in a stock 350Z and one with Hi-tech exhaust makes you immediatelly nitce the power difference and top-end.

Ask Blackie on the Oz forus of s2ki.com about it as he's been in my Zed.

Has anyone had before and after runs on an independant dyno yet?

Yep, there's a few of them here and they show betweem 15 and 25hp hains at the wheels. Look for the dyno runs here:
https://my350z.com/forum/showthread....threadid=60106

Me, I have not dynoed the car, but I did do side-by-side comparisions runs with 2 different cars right before the exhaust and right after (which for me are morfe meaningfull). I am about 4 car-lengths quicker to 160kph than the OE car. I documented it all in here so check for yourself:

https://my350z.com/forum/showthread....threadid=52921

https://my350z.com/forum/showthread....threadid=53187