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Old Mar 16, 2006 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Kolia
Has anybody checked the '05 vs '06 pads? They could be the same, with a caliper simply offsetted to get a bigger disc. I don't know.

If they are, you could get any pads that would fit on a previous Z. See with your dealer.
They are different. And sadly, the only non-oem option are the Hawk HPSs.
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Kolia
Object in the Mirror Are closer than they Appear

You know what that means? It means Try and sue us, we’ll win because you where warned. This is why track pads have the Not for Highway use warning…
True enough

I understand your point of view on safety Stacy. But give some credit to the noob who is going to drive the car you will be a passenger in. A student should not be concerned about speed, I agree. You also said noobs are prone to cooking their brakes by dragging them. I also agree.

Why would a track pad NOT be a good, safe idea? It would solve that issue. Is it “cheating” ? No way! It’s not like showing up for your first HPDE on a set of Hoosier! That is a recipe for disaster. The better pads will simply make the brake system work better, be more reliable. The tires, and ultimately, the driver, will make the car drive the correct line. I’d rather my student didn’t have to learn to drive around a problem like fading brakes over learning the line, finding the flaggers stations and keeping an eye on traffic…
You're right, it is different than showing up on slicks for your first time, I agree. BUT having those pads starting out can still mask some underlying poor technique. Sure, as an instructor you can inform your student that; with his braking technique, on lesser pads, or at greater speeds, he would be seeing brake fade (if the instructor knows the student is on race pads)... but we all know until it's experienced by your *** in the seat, it won't stick in the brain.

I see your points, and they are valid ones... as a matter of fact you almost had me convinced . But I guess for me, I would rather a student learn what to do in case of brake fade very early on. We all are going to experience it sometime or another - I'd rather it be in a lower speed, less traffic setting like a beginner/novice group than a more advanced, much faster group.

How yeah, by track pads I mean… track pads. Specifically the ones that “start” working at 450F and are good beyond 1500F (Cobalt Friction Spec VR in my case). Very abrasive when cold (any street condition, we agree on that too) they just grind my rotors on my way to the track, so I put them on the day before the event. Funny thing, they still bite more than the OEM. Above freezing anyways. And since I’m the one driving, I can adjust my driving accordingly. Any noob can do that…
True, they can... IF they know ahead of time to adjust their driving style on the street. Now that we've mentioned it, I feel more comfortable, and of course, thats all that matters: ME being comfortable ...and if they're driving a 350Z, they should have some brains in there

Anyways, to each his own. I wish someone had advised me about getting proper pads the first time I went to the race track. It would have saved me the expense of getting new rotors and plenty of brake pads.
Originally Posted by EnthuZ
I run Stoptech 13.1" F with Track model rear brakes, and during the entire DE season, I run my XP10/XP8 pads on the street as well as on the track. They stop MUCH better even while cold than the Axis Ultimates! Their initial bite is simply awesome! So good that I need to check my rear view mirror to make sure the car behind can stop without slamming into me! Yes, they do squeal like a pig, but, I really could care less.

So, yes, I recommend RACE pads for noob's!
I'll end with this... if you can afford race pads, if you understand the pros AND the cons of your upgrades, then go for it. Have fun, be safe.

“Keep your speed below 120”??? KM/H right? Not MPH I hope?!
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