raced an elise?
Originally Posted by Kolia
The Elise is not about numbers.
You guys are missing the whole point this car is trying to make...
You guys are missing the whole point this car is trying to make...
Not so quick to judge!! I love the little elise, and if I was in the States, I'd have already bought one. Horsepower and numbers be damned. I had almost traded in the Z for one, but I looked outside and saw the 350 outside... and I made up my mind to keep the thing. It's been so good to me. I'd like to have the 350 feel similar and as fun though.
You can't compare the 4 cyl Elise to a V6 or even V8 powered cars. It's not going to out muscle these high powered cars straight up. They do well in autocross, and with a good driver, can compete in road courses as well. If tuned just right, lookout . . . it's a sleeper that may suprise you.
believe it or not on best motoring it was a all out war between the Z and the elise but on the straights it all Z. But i believe that was the RS version It was a awesome race so its feasable . It should be a awesome battle. More power turn in weight of the Z. Nimble car light state of the art suspension , great tqy motor for what it is. Its a nice race on the tracks.
Last edited by RBlover69; Dec 31, 2006 at 09:05 AM.
Ya, I thought it'd be an interesting comparison. I keep hearing how you have to drive the lotus "right". I wonder if it gets twitchy? I know from experience the Z is stable. I'd be curious as to the ability of the new "Tesla" coming out, too.
Been on several tracks with them (Laguna Seca, Sears Point, Buttonwillow, Cal Speedway) this year.
They are great little cars and have marvelous handling characteristics. They suffer in the high horsepower sections of the tracks, just as a Miata might, but in the corners they are awesome. Stock off the showroom floor, pretty hard to beat it as a really fun weekend country road or occasional track day car. And it will whip the Z and G. Once you start getting into mods though, you are no longer talking about the same car. On a high hp track, a Z or G with good handling mods really gives the little Lotus a run for its money. Hauling up from Turn 4 all the way up the track to Turn 8 at Laguna Seca, and up the front straight, the Lotus cannot keep up. At Sears Point the section starting with the Turn 6 Carousel down to the Turn 11 hairpin, and then again all the way down the front to Turn 2....belongs to the G or Z. At Cal Speedway with the Roval...no chance even though the infield twisties belong to the Lotus clearly.
But driver skills matter a bunch, and as one of our comrades above noted, in the hands of a good driver willing to push it....the corner exit speeds of the Lotus are going to be higher and thus carried down the straights, helping to negate some of the brute power advantage of other cars. It is a great little platform, but probably not a daily driver.
They are great little cars and have marvelous handling characteristics. They suffer in the high horsepower sections of the tracks, just as a Miata might, but in the corners they are awesome. Stock off the showroom floor, pretty hard to beat it as a really fun weekend country road or occasional track day car. And it will whip the Z and G. Once you start getting into mods though, you are no longer talking about the same car. On a high hp track, a Z or G with good handling mods really gives the little Lotus a run for its money. Hauling up from Turn 4 all the way up the track to Turn 8 at Laguna Seca, and up the front straight, the Lotus cannot keep up. At Sears Point the section starting with the Turn 6 Carousel down to the Turn 11 hairpin, and then again all the way down the front to Turn 2....belongs to the G or Z. At Cal Speedway with the Roval...no chance even though the infield twisties belong to the Lotus clearly.
But driver skills matter a bunch, and as one of our comrades above noted, in the hands of a good driver willing to push it....the corner exit speeds of the Lotus are going to be higher and thus carried down the straights, helping to negate some of the brute power advantage of other cars. It is a great little platform, but probably not a daily driver.
Originally Posted by Eagle1
Been on several tracks with them (Laguna Seca, Sears Point, Buttonwillow, Cal Speedway) this year.
They are great little cars and have marvelous handling characteristics. They suffer in the high horsepower sections of the tracks, just as a Miata might, but in the corners they are awesome. Stock off the showroom floor, pretty hard to beat it as a really fun weekend country road or occasional track day car. And it will whip the Z and G. Once you start getting into mods though, you are no longer talking about the same car. On a high hp track, a Z or G with good handling mods really gives the little Lotus a run for its money. Hauling up from Turn 4 all the way up the track to Turn 8 at Laguna Seca, and up the front straight, the Lotus cannot keep up. At Sears Point the section starting with the Turn 6 Carousel down to the Turn 11 hairpin, and then again all the way down the front to Turn 2....belongs to the G or Z. At Cal Speedway with the Roval...no chance even though the infield twisties belong to the Lotus clearly.
But driver skills matter a bunch, and as one of our comrades above noted, in the hands of a good driver willing to push it....the corner exit speeds of the Lotus are going to be higher and thus carried down the straights, helping to negate some of the brute power advantage of other cars. It is a great little platform, but probably not a daily driver.
They are great little cars and have marvelous handling characteristics. They suffer in the high horsepower sections of the tracks, just as a Miata might, but in the corners they are awesome. Stock off the showroom floor, pretty hard to beat it as a really fun weekend country road or occasional track day car. And it will whip the Z and G. Once you start getting into mods though, you are no longer talking about the same car. On a high hp track, a Z or G with good handling mods really gives the little Lotus a run for its money. Hauling up from Turn 4 all the way up the track to Turn 8 at Laguna Seca, and up the front straight, the Lotus cannot keep up. At Sears Point the section starting with the Turn 6 Carousel down to the Turn 11 hairpin, and then again all the way down the front to Turn 2....belongs to the G or Z. At Cal Speedway with the Roval...no chance even though the infield twisties belong to the Lotus clearly.
But driver skills matter a bunch, and as one of our comrades above noted, in the hands of a good driver willing to push it....the corner exit speeds of the Lotus are going to be higher and thus carried down the straights, helping to negate some of the brute power advantage of other cars. It is a great little platform, but probably not a daily driver.
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Originally Posted by Kolia
The Elise is not about numbers.
You guys are missing the whole point this car is trying to make...
You guys are missing the whole point this car is trying to make...
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On almost every roadcourse we have been on, a well driven Elise has been 1-4 seconds faster than the tuned 350Z's. Their braking and cornering speeds are hard to make up, even with long straights. Plus the Elises gearing gives is really good 75-120 mph sprints.
Heck, One of them went to a drag strip next door in the evening after the first day at the track and ran a 13.1 at 101.XX. All on street tires.
At HPDE's it's really hard to judge how good a car is with the diversity of driver skills.
Heck, One of them went to a drag strip next door in the evening after the first day at the track and ran a 13.1 at 101.XX. All on street tires.
At HPDE's it's really hard to judge how good a car is with the diversity of driver skills.
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