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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 10:16 AM
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When you removed the wheels and saw that, did you wet your pants ?
I would have...
I was actually pissed because I wanted to attend the next day. I just laught it off.
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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 10:17 AM
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There are some misconceptions about the performance capabilities of Hawk HP+ pads. You are hardly the first person to use them on a race track and find out they aren't up to the task. Too bad you found out the hard way. That was an expensive lesson learned! If you are in the market for another set of OEM rotors and calipers, I have my old ones- The fronts need to be serviced, but you can PM me if you can't budget some good brakes yet. Otherwise, Fastbrakes has a pretty inexpensive Wilwood 4 piston setup. That track looks brutal for brakes. How were the tires on the track?
Thanks for the offer, I did manage to get some used ons from a local member. I was just pointed today to the fastbrakes page, I have to do sme research and decide on a kit. I defenetly need to do something about brakes if I want to track my car again.
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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 10:30 AM
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You probably just have a heavy foot . . .

Actually, I just wanted to post so I can get my 1K post . . .
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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by z-u-later
You probably just have a heavy foot . . .

Actually, I just wanted to post so I can get my 1K post . . .
Ha congrats. Do you feel any differnet now?
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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by nicolaycastro
Thanks for the offer, I did manage to get some used ons from a local member. I was just pointed today to the fastbrakes page, I have to do sme research and decide on a kit. I defenetly need to do something about brakes if I want to track my car again.
Stoptech BBK FTW
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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 12:04 PM
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wow .. sorry to see your mishap with your brakes .. actually i was going to go with the same setup as for pads with OEM none brembo brakes.

what would one recommand for pads at a track like LimeRock on the east coast? so far, SS lines, motul fluids ... pads ???
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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by tomiegunzz
Ha congrats. Do you feel any differnet now?
When you get to 1K, you'll know.
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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by TSW910
wow .. sorry to see your mishap with your brakes .. actually i was going to go with the same setup as for pads with OEM none brembo brakes.

what would one recommand for pads at a track like LimeRock on the east coast? so far, SS lines, motul fluids ... pads ???
I have never been at that track but it does not seem to be too hard on brakes. With street tires and my driving style, I think I would be fine with Ferodo DS2500 pads on the front. Your driving style may be different. On the rears I just go with Axxis ultimates because they are cheap and pad selection is minimal anyway. I had success with Hawk blue in the rear but the only reason why I have not purchased them again is because the brake dust is very corrosive in the rain. Hawk blue in the front was a nightmare.

Since you have an 06 G, there might be different selection of pads as I believe those are slightly larger rotors/calipers.
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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 04:17 PM
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I'm speechless !

Glad you're okay. You've been preparing for that event for a while. I feel terrible for telling you to go ahead with the HP+ after seeing these pictures.

I don't know what to say. I don't understand why your instructor didn't stop you earlier. He should have known better than letting a mostly stock car run non stop for 50 minutes!
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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 04:27 PM
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wouldnt Race pads offer better protection against something like this lets, say nismo R race pads. Im trying to find out if the 06+ years can use the same pad since the calipers are larger
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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 04:43 PM
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Yes, race pads would help.

But if you don't listen to your car and inspect the brakes after each sessions, you will blow through these too.
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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Kolia
I'm speechless !

Glad you're okay. You've been preparing for that event for a while. I feel terrible for telling you to go ahead with the HP+ after seeing these pictures.

I don't know what to say. I don't understand why your instructor didn't stop you earlier. He should have known better than letting a mostly stock car run non stop for 50 minutes!
Hey dont sweat it, as I said before you live an you learn.

I dont blame my instructor either, we had planned to stop but we just got carried over.

I learned my lesson and next time I'll make sure to check everything after each session, and not to run for more than 20 minutes.

I still believe that even if I had run just 20 minute sessions I still would have had the same issue. I believe my brakes just dont have enough ventilation.

Eventhough I did my research on ducting and cutting the dust shields I didnt have time to do the mods.

My question though is: If I get some race pads, put some ducting, and cut the dust shields (also not running more than 20 mins), do you think I could still track my car without a BBK?
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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by nicolaycastro
My question though is: If I get some race pads, put some ducting, and cut the dust shields (also not running more than 20 mins), do you think I could still track my car without a BBK?
I did, with my '06. I went to my 1st HPDE last year and I still had stock brake pads. I did eight (8) 20 minute sessions throughout the day and did not have any issues. The track was very strict on enforcing the time restrictions for each session since there were three groups running back-to-back (novices, graduates, instructors). My instructor made sure that we checked my Z after each session, to include making sure that I don't put the parking brakes on (if too hot, it'll warp the rotors). Now, that's attention to detail.
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Old Mar 24, 2007 | 07:54 AM
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My question though is: If I get some race pads, put some ducting, and cut the dust shields (also not running more than 20 mins), do you think I could still track my car without a BBK?
Absolutely. Also replace ALL of your brake fluid with Motul 600, ATE Super Blue, Castrol SRF, or even Ford HD.
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Old Mar 24, 2007 | 08:18 AM
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usually for a nice setup you wanna do brake lines aswell. Heat is your enemy, i would even consider slotted rotors. And a nice set of nismo race pads or any race pad for that matter . Just remember to take them off for daily use because they will not stop you properly without being heated up. Great for track use horrid for streets.



Question beta or whoever,
running motul 600 or any race brake fluids is this suitable for daily use on a street driver or would u then have to replace the fluid after track use aswell.
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Old Mar 24, 2007 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by RBlover69

Question beta or whoever,
running motul 600 or any race brake fluids is this suitable for daily use on a street driver or would u then have to replace the fluid after track use aswell.
The difference in the brake fluid is that it has a higher boiling point so there is no reason to change back to stock fluid.
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Old Mar 24, 2007 | 09:48 AM
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Cool, anyone know if the reg pads are compatible with the 06+ rotors . Since they have bigger calipers. I plan on picking up some nismo Race pads or Hawk race pads for a gainsville event. Over here in florida.
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Old Mar 24, 2007 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by nicolaycastro
My question though is: If I get some race pads, put some ducting, and cut the dust shields (also not running more than 20 mins), do you think I could still track my car without a BBK?
Yes, I have been doing so for 3 years - about 15 track days. Most of those days are on a track wich is not too demanding on the brakes though. I would keep going with what you have - the new stock brakes you just purchased - and give it another try with better pads and by cutting the dust shields. Ducting is not an easy thing to do, you may want to try, there are a few threads on this board with guys who have done it.

One option is to get the Stillen front bumper with their duct kit but it's not cheap. Another one is to make it yourself but you have to fabricate something to direct the hose to the rotor and route the hose to the front where it can pick up air.

In the long run, if you really get into it, you will probably get a BBK as you are going to go through a lot of sets of pads...
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Old Mar 24, 2007 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by RBlover69
Cool, anyone know if the reg pads are compatible with the 06+ rotors . Since they have bigger calipers. I plan on picking up some nismo Race pads or Hawk race pads for a gainsville event. Over here in florida.
For non Brembo, 03 to 05 have a different pad shape than the 06+ Z's.
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Old Mar 24, 2007 | 09:53 AM
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damn, i thought so . My 04 pads looked smaller and more cresent shaped then my 06. Im having a hard time finding any pads for them now that are 06+ compatible.
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