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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 11:53 AM
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With 1350 miles on the car I took it to Motorsport Ranch today for member day tracking sessions. The car is new to me, but I am not new to the track. Spend too much time there just ask my wife.

45 mintues was all that the stock 2007 non-brembo rear pads lasted for. I knew the car was heavy and was fast. I was seeing about 100 - 115 on three of the straights into which heavy braking is required. Also was keeping up with a Viper on R' componds so I was pushing the car.

But 45 mintues to the wear out the rears to the "noise wear bars"?

Is this typically wear with stock brakes pads?

I got to instruct for an event in 3 weeks and was planing on taking the Z out for my student rides. It looks like I will need to take the Miata. And if I want to track the Z I need to look at a Wilwood or a PFC braking system.

Is there a pad compond for the stock brakes that will last a little longer?
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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 01:09 PM
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Yes, 2-3 events on the rear is normal. IO have an 04, so you might get lucky and get maybe an extra event.
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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 01:40 PM
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my rear rotors died before the rear pads gave out at the track. after 3 20 min sessions.. i still had about 20% left in the rear, but then I am new to this thing.
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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 02:33 PM
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You had the TCS off right? One session sounds a litttle quick, but yeah the non-Brembos suck. I've been there. Actually I'm still there.
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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 02:37 PM
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I understand that VDC cannot be completely turned off on 350Zs so equipped. If that's true, driving style could end up wearing out rear brakes very quickly.
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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 02:39 PM
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holy crap!! I figured the non brembos would suck at the track, but I didnt think they would be that bad. I was going to track the car this summer, after I added dot 4 fluid and ss lines. I guess thats not enough, need better pads too. The stock rotors wont hold up either huh? 19k miles btw.
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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by tmak26b
Yes, 2-3 events on the rear is normal. IO have an 04, so you might get lucky and get maybe an extra event.
That would be great but I am talking two (2) 30 min. sessions
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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 03:31 PM
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45 minutes is about right for a stock rear pad. A front brake kit and proper pads will be suffcient for our porky cars.
Even though we emailed each other about brakes last week, I will hold off on my 'I told you so'
Check the sticky on brake pads for some suggestions. Welcome to Z ownership. Watch out for pad knockback too. We've got notoriously weak hubs on our cars. I'll be the engine in that 07 is nice!
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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by daveh
I will hold off on my 'I told you so'
Check the sticky on brake pads for some suggestions. Welcome to Z ownership. Watch out for pad knockback too. We've got notoriously weak hubs on our cars. I'll be the engine in that 07 is nice!
You have every right for a told you so. Thought of you when the brake light came on.

Pad knockback? Explain a little further please.
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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by betamotorsports
I understand that VDC cannot be completely turned off on 350Zs so equipped. If that's true, driving style could end up wearing out rear brakes very quickly.
That's an interesting myth. Many of the Z owners said they have no problem spinning the car or do crazy thing without the VDC kicking back on, same with G owners.
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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MSR350Z
That would be great but I am talking two (2) 30 min. sessions
No idea, I only used the rear stock pads for one session. I still have the same pads on the car at 30K miles. It also has 200-300 autox runs on it too. You have an 07, bigger brakes than my 04 too. I don't think the piston knock back is a problem on the non-brembos, just tap your brakes going down the straight if you care about it.
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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 07:03 PM
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Try Ferodo DS 2500. Good for street and moderate for light track.
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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 10:24 PM
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My friend recently burned through a set of brand new stock OEM pads on his 2005 G35 5AT at Talladega. It was pretty amusing.

I've gotten two track sessions, half-dozen auto-x's, and about 38k all purpose miles out of mine. Quite the bargain I must say.
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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 11:56 PM
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Hmm.. that seems pretty short, but maybe if you were pushing hard. The rear pads are very very small, "postage stamp size", as they say. When I had the stock brakes, I boiled my brake fluid my first time at the track, but I didn't wear out the pads. In any case, my first mod was to put front and rear stoptechs on the car.
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Old Apr 7, 2007 | 05:24 AM
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That's strange. I went with my 05 G35 Sedan which has the same brakes as the 07 standard ones. And I went too two MSR events with them and still had a ton of life left on my rears especially. I did smokem a bit hehe.

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With 1350 miles on the car I took it to Motorsport Ranch today for member day tracking sessions. The car is new to me, but I am not new to the track. Spend too much time there just ask my wife.

45 mintues was all that the stock 2007 non-brembo rear pads lasted for. I knew the car was heavy and was fast. I was seeing about 100 - 115 on three of the straights into which heavy braking is required. Also was keeping up with a Viper on R' componds so I was pushing the car.

But 45 mintues to the wear out the rears to the "noise wear bars"?

Is this typically wear with stock brakes pads?

I got to instruct for an event in 3 weeks and was planing on taking the Z out for my student rides. It looks like I will need to take the Miata. And if I want to track the Z I need to look at a Wilwood or a PFC braking system.

Is there a pad compond for the stock brakes that will last a little longer?
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Old Apr 7, 2007 | 06:10 AM
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The HR engines in the '07s obviously have more HP & TQ than previous models. I'm not an engineer by any means but if Nissan kept the same stock '06 brake system for the '07 models, then Nissan may not have realized that they did not compensate for the additional power of the '07s. I'm curious to know what their R&D data looked like with an engine that increased its HP & TQ but did not changed the stopping power.

Last year, I was at MSR with Apex Driving Academy. I drove eight (8) 20-minute sessions, in addition to my instructor driving my '06 Z. My Z was stock then, and I did not have any problems with the rear brake pads. I've also done several autocross runs on them without any problems, and the rear pads still looked great when I eventually replaced them with Project U B-Force brake pads.
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Old Apr 7, 2007 | 06:58 AM
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The regular brakes aren't that great for heavy track use. Get dedicated track pads if you can.
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Old Apr 7, 2007 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by z-u-later
The HR engines in the '07s obviously have more HP & TQ than previous models. I'm not an engineer by any means but if Nissan kept the same stock '06 brake system for the '07 models, then Nissan may not have realized that they did not compensate for the additional power of the '07s. I'm curious to know what their R&D data looked like with an engine that increased its HP & TQ but did not changed the stopping power.

Last year, I was at MSR with Apex Driving Academy. I drove eight (8) 20-minute sessions, in addition to my instructor driving my '06 Z. My Z was stock then, and I did not have any problems with the rear brake pads. I've also done several autocross runs on them without any problems, and the rear pads still looked great when I eventually replaced them with Project U B-Force brake pads.
I meant the 05G35 has the same upgraded brakes as the 06 350z and above. The 07 G35 not sure.
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Old Apr 7, 2007 | 07:06 AM
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The Brembos are still te same for all years
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Old Apr 7, 2007 | 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by z-u-later
The HR engines in the '07s obviously have more HP & TQ than previous models. I'm not an engineer by any means but if Nissan kept the same stock '06 brake system for the '07 models, then Nissan may not have realized that they did not compensate for the additional power of the '07s. I'm curious to know what their R&D data looked like with an engine that increased its HP & TQ but did not changed the stopping power.

Last year, I was at MSR with Apex Driving Academy. I drove eight (8) 20-minute sessions, in addition to my instructor driving my '06 Z. My Z was stock then, and I did not have any problems with the rear brake pads. I've also done several autocross runs on them without any problems, and the rear pads still looked great when I eventually replaced them with Project U B-Force brake pads.
You don't use any brakes at autox compare to track event. The car stops fine for the track, it juts doesn't have the endurance because of its size and heat. Heat kills
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