Looks like I was editing my previous post while you were typing up your 4th and most recent attempt in this thread to mask the *truth with "good intentions." You made your point, congrats. Now be helpful, or bounce out. Never had any direct problem with you until now, but overall, just tired of your shit dude...go away. There are plenty of other threads to build your post count in. Just a couple more useless posts/day and you can break the 6 digit mark by 2008!



*Truth: You think that a $150 business license + $29.96 Yahoo merchant website = The right to be a snobby sanitary wipe.

 

Anyone who has been providing their input by saying "get a roll bar"... ya-da, ya-da, ya-da, may have been speaking w/o reading Triple8Sol's post.
- He has a G35, not a Z
- He wants to retain the use of his rear seats
- He will be using it primarily for autocross

If he were to get a simple 4pt. roll bar and mount a harness to, it would require at least 2 cross members (one to triangulate, the other to be horizontal beginf the driver) to mount the harness to This would essentially make access to his rear seats only possible via the trunk. There is no need for a rollbar in autocross as the likely hood you will end up on your hood is so remote it's not even recommended even if you run a preprared class car. I've seen all types of incidents in autocross but only photos of autoX cars ending up on their side, but please someone tell me if they've ever seen a modern sportscar ever end up on it's roof as a result of autoX. I'm willing to bet no one here ever has (and if you claim to have then I'm willing to bet that you're making it up.)

 

The techs just trying to help and knows his ****. He and everyone else was only saying what they were saying to keep you from hurting yourself. I understand your perspective, but they are correct and you should seriously think about what your doing before you kill yourself man. Its only because they care.

 

With most racing harnesses you can also keep the factory seat belts in place. This will allow the use of the belting system most appropriate for the type of driving you're doing at the time.

In general its best to use a racing harness in conjunction with a roll bar/cage for the reasons stated above. Given that, roll over standards and roof crush standards are much higher today then even on cars built five years ago - to the point that I personally would not be concerned about running a racing harness in a non-bar'd/cage'd car at an autocross.

Ultimately its your decision and just take every's advice for what you paid for it.

 

Wish I could delete this thread and just start over. I prob came off a bit harsh, but it's all true. Some people mentioned the rollbar issue because they care. Then there's the douchebag I'm calling out, on his high horse. I didn't jump on him because this was his first time talking down to everyone. It's annoying, since he's nobody...just another egotistical post *****.


As always, I appreciate those that contributed. If anybody has some actual input regarding my initial questions I'd love to hear it. Luckily, "The Tech" has gone elsewhere to take up space, with already 70+ new posts since yesterday.

 

He also does have a point, but I would like to stay on the safer side. i figure if Im gonna need the harness's, Im gonna need the roll bar, and If I need the roll bar or really if Im racing at all I need a helmet.

 

Based on your post, not sure if you are aware that a HARNESS bar is very different from a ROLLbar. The GD you signed up for (that "The Tech" started) is a harness bar, which situates the shoulder belts in a better/safer position/angle. A rollbar protects you in the event of...a rollover...and may or may not have harness mounts on it. A harness bar won't do much in a rollover, since it only connects your b-pillars, and is lower than your head. With any racing besides most drag racing, helmets are a requirement.

 

I am aware of everything you just stated, The likelyhood of me rolling my z, drag racing or autoxing is pretty much non existant. I was just advising you based on you mounting your harness in weird ways, nothing else.

 

If you're familiar w/ autocross, you know that a harness is not primarily there for the purpose of restraining the driver in the event of a crash. Yes, it does need to meet that prerequisite; but most autoX-ers install a 4 or 5 pt systems to keep their torsos from sliding around during the constant lateral transitioning of the car while on course. Use of a harness is especially useful in a vehicle w/ leather seats. Since not many Z/G owers are familiar w/ autoX (why? I have no idea.) a roll bar will most likely add 40lbs or more to a car where most of the rollbar's mass will be above the the CG. Why would anyone want to do this if it will never be needed?

I think that possibly there is an out-dated or limited understanding of why a roll bar is needed. Perhaps this is due to a generalized understanding of building a car for racing rather than taking into account the specific needs of the application and/or the needs of the individual. It's easier to give a short blanket statement to try and solve a problem but in this case a rollbar for autocross would be a disadvantage unless it's significantly improving the chassis's stifness.

 

You raise some very good points, and bring out some flaws in my statement.

 

Why do you ask for help and not take some answers? Yea they didn't answer your question like you wanted them to... And to tell you the truth Matt(tech) wasn't being snotty. And if anything he has toned it down since he became a sponser. He would have told you your were ricer before...

I Guess you cant help everyone... Goodluck