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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by DriveI65
The Nismo belongs in BSP.
SCCA doesn't agree with you though. They believe it should stay in BS itself. It is still a factory car. I talked to them personally 2 months ago.
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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by tmak26b
Honestly, I don't think those mods are the difference makers. It would be stupid for SCCA to screw you guys like that. I think the Z can do well by simply getting some front camber to get the car to turn!!!

This is poor thinking. I respectfully disagree completely. The Nismo should not be in BS.
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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by SOLO-350Z
SCCA doesn't agree with you though. They believe it should stay in BS itself. It is still a factory car. I talked to them personally 2 months ago.
I don't agree with a lot of what the SCCA does so we're even. It's still hasn't been classed by the SEB but you're probably right.
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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SOLO-350Z
SCCA doesn't agree with you though. They believe it should stay in BS itself. It is still a factory car. I talked to them personally 2 months ago.
You talked to "them"?

There are five people on the Stock Advisory Committee and nine on the Solo Events Board. In addition, any comments they make outside of committee / board meetings are unofficial. So -- unless you sat in on the SEB meeting, your talking to "them" doesn't really say much at all.

Having said that, I spoke with one of the members of the SAC in late September, and at that time the SAC was still debating the Nismo (i.e. they hadn't even made a recommendation to the SEB yet).

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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 01:34 PM
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I talked to one of the people who makes the decisions of classes, but he said unofficially it should stay in BS. There are no HP improvements, and everything is factory. It's best to start in BS and if the car really shows a drastic improvement over the normal 350z they will move it.
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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 04:38 PM
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That's fine, but that doesn't mean "the SCCA" agrees.

Honda S2000 CR. Pontiac Solstice Z0K. Mazda Miata MS-R. Nissan Nismo Z. All conceptually similar, but one is far less attainable than the others. Can you guess which one?

The answer is the Nismo: all of the other cars can be converted from normal base cars through simple bolt-ons, but converting a base 350Z to Nismo spec requires seam welding the chassis. That drastically reduces the availability of cars to the autocross community.
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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 07:06 PM
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I'm sure that Nissan is looking to offer the NISMO package for both amateur and pro racing,that said the seam wielding will not be an issue as every car will have a roll cage.Will the NISMO be in B/S?Probably,as it pretty much introduces all the good parts as production pieces,to be added to the track package.SCCA has always specified 1000 cars produced be in a years time to qualify as a production automobile,thus 1500 numbered copies shown as a production model on their website and in their brochures more than documents the NISMO's production status.
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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by cp79shark
Had the opposite result this weekend...my 07 won. My first time out too.

I think while the 07 does have an advantage because of the HR, the driver is still the deciding factor.
i agree..driver mod is extremely important
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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by whitt1
I'm sure that Nissan is looking to offer the NISMO package for both amateur and pro racing,that said the seam wielding will not be an issue as every car will have a roll cage.Will the NISMO be in B/S?Probably,as it pretty much introduces all the good parts as production pieces,to be added to the track package.
I'm not getting your roll cage point, as autocross cars don't run roll cages. And your comment about all of the good parts being production pieces is false, which is exactly the point I was making -- you can't go to the dealer and buy seam welding to convert your Track to a Nismo.

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SCCA has always specified 1000 cars produced be in a years time to qualify as a production automobile,thus 1500 numbered copies shown as a production model on their website and in their brochures more than documents the NISMO's production status.
You misunderstand the 1000 car rule, which is not a requirement for Stock classing, but rather a catch-all rule for cars not specifically classed:

Car models not specifically listed in any Stock Category class must
have been produced, and must meet the above requirements and
been sold through normal U.S. dealerships, in quantities of at least
1,000 in a 12- month period in order to be eligible for the Stock
Category.
To be clear, I'm not saying that the Nismo won't go into B Stock since I don't control the SEB and stranger things have happened, with the approval of the Solstice GXP Z0K package being the prime example. What I am saying is that the classification of the Nismo in BS would violate several of the principles that have historically governed car classing by upsetting a successful, established class with a car spec which cannot be feasibly converted to.
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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 04:28 AM
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Like the guy said, it is easier to see the car do better in a lower class and move it up then than seeing it do bad in the higher class then having to move it down.
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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 10:06 AM
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Oh, come on, Russ, I'm hoping to see your NISMO in BSP so we can see how it'll do against my '06 . . . Besides, I'm getting tired of spanking the same cars every month in BSP . . . need something new to compete against.
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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 11:31 AM
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hehe.
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