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Old Aug 8, 2014 | 08:23 AM
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After the autocross season is over, we're planning to run some track events with the Z, and we're exploring a Spec Z/T3 build for next season as the SCCA Runoffs are going to be held in our hometown.

As such, our base brakes that are (mostly) fine for autocross use will be useless for road racing. As Spec Z requires OEM calipers, I'm guessing the Brembo package is our route. What's involved with swapping the base brakes for this package? Brackets the same? Lines? Hydraulics? Is there something I'm missing in the Spec Z rules that would allow another setup?

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No brackets, straight bolt on just need new lines and rotors.

I seem to remember it being important to make sure to get the caliper bolts for the Brembos, but this topic has been covered so many times just search.

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I swapped brembos to the back of the BSP car from standards....bolts right up.
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Just in case this fact was unknown. The later standard brake rotors are almost as big as the rotors used with Brembo calipers. The difference in rotor diameter is rather miniscule. Does the rule allow for cooling ducts?
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Originally Posted by guitman32
No brackets, straight bolt on just need new lines and rotors.

I seem to remember it being important to make sure to get the caliper bolts for the Brembos, but this topic has been covered so many times just search.

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My search-fu must be off today. I found a lot of threads where folks were upgrading the Brembos to something stouter, or standard brakes for something more aggressive, but no luck finding any OEM to OEM swaps. If anyone has a thread link, you have my appreciation.

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Originally Posted by 03threefiftyz
I swapped brembos to the back of the BSP car from standards....bolts right up.
Those base brakes are almost embarrassingly small in the rear, aren't they? Our TDI Beetle actually has bigger brakes at all four corners.

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https://my350z.com/forum/brakes-and-...bo-brakes.html

I used an angle grinder to neatly trim the lips on the rear dust shields and it still looks OEM. Maybe no one will ever see, but I know it's been done right. You'll need the Brembo type rear caliper bolts, too.

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I would search for "Brembo swap" or similar. Seems like you have what you need though^
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It's a strait swap. You don't even need to Change the lines, however it's a good idea too if rules allow. The only thing I would make sure is to get the brembo specific caliper mounting bolts for a better piece of mind.
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Originally Posted by POS VETT
Just in case this fact was unknown. The later standard brake rotors are almost as big as the rotors used with Brembo calipers. The difference in rotor diameter is rather miniscule. Does the rule allow for cooling ducts?
Huge difference in width, pad size and the huge aluminum caliper. The Brembo package is will take many laps.

Cooling ducts allowed
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Thanks gang. Big help.

Is it worth looking for the calipers used? Or do you just suck it up and buy new ones. I noticed Rock Auto had them for about $250 per corner with the core charge. That seems somewhat reasonable, but I'd be butthurt about not being able to recoup the core.

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The ones on RockAuto are reman anyway, but presumably will have been rebuilt with new seals, boots, etc. They also come pre-loaded with poopy-quiet pads. I wonder what the quality of the refinish is.

Really just depends on how soon you need them.

You can probably score a used set with race pads and rotors if youre patient, for quite a bit cheaper (since you wont be getting the core charge back). Obviously the finish wont be 10/10 but who cares theyre gonna discolor and chip quickly anyway. If youre going to campaign with them I would definitely rebuild before installation, just makes sense.

But if you need them sooner than later, you know what they say...time is money.
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Originally Posted by jpasterjak
Thanks gang. Big help.

Is it worth looking for the calipers used? Or do you just suck it up and buy new ones. I noticed Rock Auto had them for about $250 per corner with the core charge. That seems somewhat reasonable, but I'd be butthurt about not being able to recoup the core.

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I'd bet they're not in stock (ever). Here's another thread you may want to look at, though:

https://my350z.com/forum/brakes-and-...onversion.html
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Why are std brakes useless for road racing?
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Old Aug 10, 2014 | 04:16 AM
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They can't dissipate the heat generated by repeated hard use, and the hotter they get the less effective they become (aka brake fade). When I upgraded my OEM non-Brembo's to Brembo's there was very little advantage to be felt during normal street driving.
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Been tracking over 3 yrs with non brembo. No issues lol
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^the track you run must not be hard on the brakes or you aren't pushing hard enough..
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Coming down from 130mph isn't fast enough?
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Cant comment on the standard brakes bc ive never driven on them, but plenty of cars I see at the track are using floating calipers. It is hard to argue however that the ultimate capacity of the brembos isnt greater.

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Brembo is a upgrade from base brakes. Stating base brakes are useless for road course is a blanket statement.
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