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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 04:58 PM
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Who's got some opinions on the best camber adjustment setup to go with? I think i'm getting either the hks hipermax II's or some zeal's.

I'm looking at kinetix which my brother recommended me. I know the 350 evo's are great but they're pretty steep Any help is appreciated! thanks!
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Old Dec 23, 2005 | 06:50 AM
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Interesting 1&2 choice in coilovers, I have never seen valving specs for the Zeals like I've seen for the II's but it's pretty safe to say that based on review's that the two products are not on the same plane regarding those specs. Expect the Zeals to offer a much more liveable ride quality.

For camber correction, look into the Cusco arms for the front. Make sure they offer the amount of correction for the drop amount your considering. The EVO350 will not only have a greater correction range but will also give you sperical bearings vs hard rubber bushings. For the rear SPC camber arms and elongated toe cam bolts are a clear choice.
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Old Dec 23, 2005 | 09:10 AM
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Ok let me chime in since i do own zeals and cusco upper negative arms
the zeals are amazing.. street driving can't be any better and track driving just truly brings out the car. Now.. the cusco camber arms are a whole different story. If you are looking to go back to positive then the cusco arms are not for you. The cusco arms are for those that want more agressive camber.. Let me know if you have any further questions. Where in cali are you located? if you are in norcal i will gladly take you for a ride in the zeals
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Old Dec 23, 2005 | 10:28 AM
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I am in norcal over by redwood cit but I'm leaving town tomorrow morning. I'll definitely look you up when I get back if I'm still looking for a suspension setup. My brother recently put the hipermax rs on his car and I was very impressed by the ride and handling. I know the spring rates are a little less stiff than the hipermax II but his car feels smoother than my z stock, I figured I can live with a little roughness because I'm all about performance. I keep hearing these rave reviews bout the zeals, are they the "ultimate" so to say street suspension for the track? I'm wondering if the track performance is equal for the hipermax II or some other flagship coilover but the street ride is just harsher (which i can live with to save a few bucks :P).

I think the cusco arms will be ok for me, I don't care if the camber isn't fully corrected However, if there was a package, I could save some $$. That kinetix front and rear set is only 700 bucks whereas a cusco A-arm + spc rear kit is 1k or something.
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Old Dec 23, 2005 | 02:37 PM
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If you are looking to go back to positive then the cusco arms are not for you.

EHHHH...wrong answer my friend

The Cusco camber arms won't work magic - it, if you are running a 3 inch drop, with 19x9 wheels and a +10 offset up front, kiss any chance of getting near stock specs good bye.

But, if you run a sensible wheel and tire combo, with a sensible drop, you can get camber back to the 1.3-1.5 range up front with the out of the box adjustment provided by the Cusco. My car's rideheight is 25.5 inches from the center of the fenderline to the ground, using 18x8.5 +20 wheels up front and 245/40/18 tires. FWIW, I found the car happens to love a bit more negative camber up front. So far (in the 10k or so miles since I dialed in 2 degrees up front), all upsides, no downsides

As for prices...man, where are you getting yours from? Cusco front a arms and the SPC rear kit would run you around $625 shipped......
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Old Dec 23, 2005 | 03:20 PM
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what is your car's rear rideheight and tires profile?
what rear camber/toe set up?
tia
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Old Dec 23, 2005 | 03:27 PM
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26.5 inches out back from centerline of fender to ground, 275/40/18

I have a prototype Cusco setup on my car (similar to the JIC/Stillen type setup)
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Old Dec 23, 2005 | 04:49 PM
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went to some overpriced site lol, i just checked out yours z1performance. Prices look pretty good I might be ordering from you soon !
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So I'm still researching and i keep hearing raves about zeal's customer service. If I'm gonna need any servicing in the future an extra 800 -900 bucks versus the hipermax II is worth my money IMO. However, does anyone know where I can get a set ? I remember gruppe-s had them at 2.8k awhile ago but I don't see them up on the site now.
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HKS II's have been removed from the U.S. lineup, though some dealer's still list them, how they can get a set is beyond me. Has HKS established service for their dampners here in north america or is that still in the works?
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Old Dec 24, 2005 | 07:49 AM
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HKS still does not service shocks in the US

Hipermax II can be had via special order from Japan, but honestly, why bother? The RS is every bit as nice IMHO (I run them on my car), and overall is more comfortable for daily use.

With the Zeal, they are in a different class IMHO. As nicely as my HKS's ride, the Zeals still offer better balance IMHO in their dampening control. They are also totally customizable in terms of spring rates, valving, etc at a later date, and turn around time on rebuilds is fast since its done in the US. The HKS offer a lower entry point price wise, but if you have a problem, they go back to Japan and that takes forever and a day

If you need Zeals (or HKS RS for that matter), let me know. I don't "think" there are any Zeals for a Z in the country right now, but I know we have (or at least had last week) a set of HKS RS's available
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Originally Posted by Z1 Performance

As nicely as my HKS's ride, the Zeals still offer better balance IMHO in their dampening control.
And that is something that many suspension review's don't pick up on or just don't realize that something's not right and the subject is never touched on. To me, it's a defining reason why one would pay more.
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Old Dec 26, 2005 | 10:28 AM
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I totally agree....but, as I am sure you'll agree, this site is not exactly known for it's technical prowess, or even "genuine" reviews (as most sites nowadays aren't). Most people here don't have the knowledge base nor experience to know when something is a compromise, or less than ideal - instead they buy into the marketing.

Granted, the Zeals are a BIG step up in price from, say, an HKS RS. But, if you truly have or want to build a dual purpose Z (street and track days) I have yet to find anything that comes close at any price level.

We will ahev some new units we'll be testing soon from AST - I'll be sure to post all the results - good, bad or indifferent
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Originally Posted by Z1 Performance
I totally agree....but, as I am sure you'll agree, this site is not exactly known for it's technical prowess, or even "genuine" reviews (as most sites nowadays aren't). Most people here don't have the knowledge base nor experience to know when something is a compromise, or less than ideal - instead they buy into the marketing.

Granted, the Zeals are a BIG step up in price from, say, an HKS RS. But, if you truly have or want to build a dual purpose Z (street and track days) I have yet to find anything that comes close at any price level.

We will ahev some new units we'll be testing soon from AST - I'll be sure to post all the results - good, bad or indifferent
Seperate compression and rebound adj on these AST's? I am familiar with the brand but did not know they had anyhting for the Z. Springs included or just dampers? Thanks,
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they will be here end of the month so I'll have more info to share then
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Originally Posted by Z1 Performance
they will be here end of the month so I'll have more info to share then
Thanks. I checked their site, and it looks like they have the entry level system for the Z. Looks like an actual coil-over set up. It's a bit vague to me, but I am guessing the 12 steps of adj they advertise are for compression and rebound together. Shame, I know they have nice competition dampers that are three way adjustable, I was hoping for something similiar to the JRZ's with a more affordable price. What are Zeal and the new Tanabe running, like $2K? I remember being able to pick up double adjustable AdvDesign with Eibach springs for $2400. Hopefully these will turn out to be better than the their website shows, can't wait to read about your write-up.
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