Any good sway bar set you guys would recommend?
We're pretty happy with the Eibach's. There are some pics and info on our website if you would like to check them out:
http://www.gridesinc.com/Showroom.html#eibach
Thanks,
Gary
http://www.gridesinc.com/Showroom.html#eibach
Thanks,
Gary
Always been happy with the Nismo's and many of our customers seem to be too. 
http://mynismo.com/products/?id=2499
http://mynismo.com/products/?id=2499
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Originally Posted by MoodDude
Three things to look for in a sway bar:
- Do they fit on the car easily
- Are they adjustable
- Are they lighter than stock
- Do they fit on the car easily
- Are they adjustable
- Are they lighter than stock
Last edited by lex350; Jul 7, 2006 at 11:49 PM.
Originally Posted by yellowandfast
Originally Posted by lex350
HEY, which are lighter than stock and better to? someone answer please
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Originally Posted by 97supratt
Lighter isn't always better, especially when referring to sway bars.
And eliminate all body roll is not always a good thing. You must balance the car to your driving style and the other components on your car. That is why you have to have multipule settings on the sway!!
Hotchkis is the one that is lighter than stock. And guess what - lighter is faster, for acceleration, braking and cornering. So not only to you get adjustment (and the Hotchkis is plenty stiff enough) but you also remove weight from the car!!!
Originally Posted by MoodDude
Three things to look for in a sway bar:
- Do they fit on the car easily
- Are they adjustable
- Are they lighter than stock
- Do they fit on the car easily
- Are they adjustable
- Are they lighter than stock
2. only if you know what you are adjusting and need said adjustments
3. Completely not true and in many cases can offer no benefit other than being able to say "I have light sway bars". Not always true, but very often can be. There is as much reason to run a heavy, solid swaybar, because that weight is being placed at the lowest point of the chassis, which lowers the cars CG. Not to mention the solid ones are far less prone to deflection under extreme loads (yes I've seen hollow bars bend).
It matters a great deal if its hollow or solid...if you suggest it doesn't, then you gotta start doing some research for yourself from various sources, such as "How to Make Your Car Handle", and other similar publications and decide for yourself.
Both the Hotchkis and Cusco are excellent pieces...but to suggest there is no benefit from running a solid sway is not accurate.
Now, the real question becomes, which is stiffer? To know that, we would need to know the wall thickness of the Hotchkis, which they do not publish. I can tell you their front sway is not nearly as stiff as the Cusco, because both have the same outer diameter (35mm) but the Cusco is solid, thus making it a far stiffer bar than the Hotchkis, which is solid. On the rear, the Hotchkis is 24mm, the Cusco is 22mm, but the Cusco, again, is solid vs the hollow Hotchkis. To know which is stiffer, you need to know the wall thickness of the Hotchkis which I've never seen them publish.
Eliminating body roll is most certainly a desirable thing, on any car. You want minimal to zero roll. The purpose of having an adjustable sway is to tailor it for different spring/wheel rates. But if you don't have a concept of what these adjustments do, both in theory and practice, then they offer no real world benefit.
For example, many have the misconception that there is no need for a larger front sway on the Z, because they think a larger sway will increase understeer. What they don't realize in practice is that the benefits the larger front sway provides in terms of turn in response and chassis :flattening" far outweighs the minimal increase in understear (which you can easily work with by way of alignment settings)
Bottom line - suspension tuning is something that takes lots of trial and error to get it right. Like anything else out there, there are plusses and minusses to the various approaches, and it's up to you do decide which method best suits your driving style, fitment needs, etc.
Last edited by Z1 Performance; Jul 8, 2006 at 05:03 AM.
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I don't know why you would buy an aftermarket sway bar without adjustment. Antiroll bars provide an excellent means for adjusting roll couple distribuition (handling balance). They also control body roll, thus reducing camber change. And lastly, by decreasing body roll, you allow for much more effective aerodynamics.
The downside of sway bars is the independent suspension is no longer truly independent with an antiroll bar. Over a signle-wheel bump, the bar twists, acting like a spring and adding its rate to the wheel rate of the spring. This increases the frequency of the suspension at that corner and hurts the ability of the suspension to keep the tire contact patch firmly on the road.
Thus, with the ability to tune the sway bar, you can effectively gain the desired effect of how the car will handle. Tuning it all depends on the driver preferrences (balanced, understeer, or oversteer) and how the other components are set up on the car.
Just to point something out - on a wet surface, you want the least stiffest sways you can get. This will allow for a much slower weight transfer thus reducing the likelyhood of slidding on a wet track. Thus, if you have an adjustable sway - when it is a wet track day you can change it.
Yes, lowering your CG is a great thing, but by adding more weight is not an effective way of doing this. It is much more effective to lower the car, lower the drivers seat, take weight off the car up high, ...
And I have never heard of anyone bending a Hotchkis sway bar - have you?
I don't know why you would buy an aftermarket sway bar without adjustment. Antiroll bars provide an excellent means for adjusting roll couple distribuition (handling balance). They also control body roll, thus reducing camber change. And lastly, by decreasing body roll, you allow for much more effective aerodynamics.
The downside of sway bars is the independent suspension is no longer truly independent with an antiroll bar. Over a signle-wheel bump, the bar twists, acting like a spring and adding its rate to the wheel rate of the spring. This increases the frequency of the suspension at that corner and hurts the ability of the suspension to keep the tire contact patch firmly on the road.
Thus, with the ability to tune the sway bar, you can effectively gain the desired effect of how the car will handle. Tuning it all depends on the driver preferrences (balanced, understeer, or oversteer) and how the other components are set up on the car.
Just to point something out - on a wet surface, you want the least stiffest sways you can get. This will allow for a much slower weight transfer thus reducing the likelyhood of slidding on a wet track. Thus, if you have an adjustable sway - when it is a wet track day you can change it.
Yes, lowering your CG is a great thing, but by adding more weight is not an effective way of doing this. It is much more effective to lower the car, lower the drivers seat, take weight off the car up high, ...
And I have never heard of anyone bending a Hotchkis sway bar - have you?