NEED HELP for coilover choice
I'm not quite sure of the argument of progressive or linear spring rates have anything to do about Quality of the build. so let's try to keep quality away from design.
KW V3s are designed as double adjustable (both in rebound and bump) trackable STREET coilovers. The Club Sports are streetable TRACK coilovers. Simple as that. The valving is different for both setups and to be honest, nothing is wrong with a progressive spring rate on a coilover if the dampening is designed for them. I have the V3s in my DD Evo X and the Clubsports in my Z. excellent for what they are designed to do, and from experience with various other coilovers on the Z, the KWs have worked out well for me and my car and what i want to do with it ... and to be honest, my previous coilovers which were all JDM type with high spring rates just make the car feel like ****. Different philosophies.. i've seen the trend of JDM coilovers have higher spring rates, and weaker dampers, where as Euro coilovers have slightly lower spring rates but better dampening.
but what i'm saying probably really won't mean anything to you since clearly, it seems you have a bias toward Stance based on your replies, and since they 'apparently' have the best springs on the planet-- nothing will really sway your set opinion. "supposedly tuned for competition" --ok sure. From the looks of it, it seems as if you started this thread, as away for people to confirm your research on STANCE, and you're not liking the replies.
so go for it. get the Stance. /thread
KW V3s are designed as double adjustable (both in rebound and bump) trackable STREET coilovers. The Club Sports are streetable TRACK coilovers. Simple as that. The valving is different for both setups and to be honest, nothing is wrong with a progressive spring rate on a coilover if the dampening is designed for them. I have the V3s in my DD Evo X and the Clubsports in my Z. excellent for what they are designed to do, and from experience with various other coilovers on the Z, the KWs have worked out well for me and my car and what i want to do with it ... and to be honest, my previous coilovers which were all JDM type with high spring rates just make the car feel like ****. Different philosophies.. i've seen the trend of JDM coilovers have higher spring rates, and weaker dampers, where as Euro coilovers have slightly lower spring rates but better dampening.
but what i'm saying probably really won't mean anything to you since clearly, it seems you have a bias toward Stance based on your replies, and since they 'apparently' have the best springs on the planet-- nothing will really sway your set opinion. "supposedly tuned for competition" --ok sure. From the looks of it, it seems as if you started this thread, as away for people to confirm your research on STANCE, and you're not liking the replies.
so go for it. get the Stance. /thread
Wow, not at all. I'm simply asking questions and trying to understand some of the claims stance has made as well as the members on this forum. I thought I made it clear I was asking for more experienced advice and simply trying to discuss and at times play "devils advocate" to make sure I can see all points of view in order to make a decision. No where did I state I'm not liking the replies or that I was in any way bias towards to Stance. My "supposively tuned for competition" was a quote actually questioning the ability of stance to be tuned for competition tracking, not stating that it was.
And is '/thread' mean lock thread? So your locking my thread because you didnt like my reply when in actuality you completely misread my response, not that my response even drew a reason for locking it if I meant that in the first place. Wasnt there a "Power trip thread" somewhere on here?
Do I need to join another forum or approach another venue in order to have a reasonable discussion on 350z without being bullied?
EDIT: People say , "they are crap" I simply want a reason or some explanation so I can understand why. When Eratosthenes says the earth is round, people want to know why.
Last edited by Nismo350z#0310; Jul 5, 2012 at 04:36 PM.
I'll go one step beyond the pro ranks...go to a national level SCCA Solo or Club race (amature). These are people, who for the most part, pay for their equipment. If $1500 shocks got it done as well as 7-8k shocks, these people, again for the most part, wouldn't pay it. You go to Solo Nationals (1200 race cars) or Run offs (poop ton of cars) you will find one of these brands and likely nothing else...Koni, Bilstein, JRZ, Moton, AST, Penske or Ohlins. You'll find a few KW's, but not many in serious racing circles.
Thanks for yout input 03threefiftyz. It looks I may need to pay more than I intended.
I like the Ohlins the only thing is the spring rate is so low I feel it would be a downgrade compared to my NIsmo which the rear is already at 12kg. I'm not sure how the dampening would allow such a low rate to still be stiff and not have alot of bodyroll. Maybe my theory is all wrong, I seem to be getting different info from different sources.
High spring rates do not equal good handling. I've gone softer on my set-up, and the car is faster than ever (when not breaking). Nice thing about ohlins, is they are easily re-valved. I run 315 race tires and only use 750lb fronts and 600lb rear (with no rear bar).
You will have to increase spring rate to compensate for aero, however. Well designed wings and splitters can generate significant downforce, thus a stiffer spring is sometimes warranted (along with an increase of ride height may be needed).
High spring rates do not equal good handling. I've gone softer on my set-up, and the car is faster than ever (when not breaking). Nice thing about ohlins, is they are easily re-valved. I run 315 race tires and only use 750lb fronts and 600lb rear (with no rear bar).
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I can refer you to someone who will make you SA Penske's for around that price. They can be upgraded in the future to 2,3 or 4 way. This would be my choice, but the KW CS's aren't a bad choice. Also, the ohlins DFV's are in your range. You also may be able to find some used entry level Motons or JRZ's around 3k, too.
If you have some fab and mechanical ability, you can also use something like a universal Ohlins set-up, but you will need to be sure of what stroke length, overall length, etc you need. You will also have to make your own upper mounts and other pieces. I got to drive a 350z with custom valved ohlins LMJ's last weekend, and I liked them more than my motons. It's a lot of work, though.
If you have some fab and mechanical ability, you can also use something like a universal Ohlins set-up, but you will need to be sure of what stroke length, overall length, etc you need. You will also have to make your own upper mounts and other pieces. I got to drive a 350z with custom valved ohlins LMJ's last weekend, and I liked them more than my motons. It's a lot of work, though.
Too much just to hit the track at his level. headaches!
Everyone's bias!
When it comes to this conversation/argument, no one will win. Stance has different variants of their coilovers. Don't go buying the LX and expect to go drift/track, and not have something happen. I have the Stance GR + PRO w/SSD.
They are good coils between $1400 - $2000. They come with brake line brackets, unlike alot of what's mention.
Forget what anyone in this thread says! They (STANCEBASHERS) claim to be roadracing experts while across the water they are beating on Stance coils daily at the track.
GRAND AM
lulz
Until there is a by the book comparison...it's all opinions
Do your own research make your own decision...
Also search next time being we have this argument every week!
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^^^
Too much just to hit the track at his level. headaches!
Everyone's bias!
When it comes to this conversation/argument, no one will win. Stance has different variants of their coilovers. Don't go buying the LX and expect to go drift/track, and not have something happen. I have the Stance GR + PRO w/SSD.
They are good coils between $1400 - $2000. They come with brake line brackets, unlike alot of what's mention.
Forget what anyone in this thread says! They (STANCEBASHERS) claim to be roadracing experts while across the water they are beating on Stance coils daily at the track.
GRAND AM
lulz
Until there is a by the book comparison...it's all opinions
Do your own research make your own decision...
Also search next time being we have this argument every week!
Too much just to hit the track at his level. headaches!
Everyone's bias!
When it comes to this conversation/argument, no one will win. Stance has different variants of their coilovers. Don't go buying the LX and expect to go drift/track, and not have something happen. I have the Stance GR + PRO w/SSD.
They are good coils between $1400 - $2000. They come with brake line brackets, unlike alot of what's mention.
Forget what anyone in this thread says! They (STANCEBASHERS) claim to be roadracing experts while across the water they are beating on Stance coils daily at the track.
GRAND AM
lulz
Until there is a by the book comparison...it's all opinions
Do your own research make your own decision...
Also search next time being we have this argument every week!
What is the ride experience with these on the track and on the street?
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Trust me I know, even I (a newbie) get's annoyed with the same threads. I was really more asking for reviews based on the SS-D or the Pro Comps just because there are no reviews ANYWHERE and I have searched for tens of hours on this.
What is the ride experience with these on the track and on the street?
What is the ride experience with these on the track and on the street?
Just once at VIR. I do alot a spirited driving, not that that means squat, but the roads are extremely good in my area and I've done some spirited driving on a few of the back roads here in the Piedmont that are similar to "The Dragon" pushing the car probably more than what a should have on the street.
The stock suspension seems pretty amazing, hardly anybody roll, obviously the 12k rear like I stated earlier, combined with my Yoko Neova the handling is extremely impressive. Atleast compared to my 05 Touring 350z. The thing that amazes me is that even with such a high rate it still drives liek a luxury sport. It's not harsh at all. Actually dampened better than my 05.
The stock suspension seems pretty amazing, hardly anybody roll, obviously the 12k rear like I stated earlier, combined with my Yoko Neova the handling is extremely impressive. Atleast compared to my 05 Touring 350z. The thing that amazes me is that even with such a high rate it still drives liek a luxury sport. It's not harsh at all. Actually dampened better than my 05.
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I'd stay with my recommendation that you get something that is upgradable. Penske, JRZ, etc all allow you to go from a single adjustable shock to start. Yes, they are expensive, but they work. That said, you can always start with a koni yellow set-up. It will be effective and a strong entry level suspension. They too can be upgraded to doubles in the future. The upper level monotubes ride WAY better on the street too, though.
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If your not trailing this car around, forking over 3k for coils is retarded! with whatever you buy make sure they are rebuildable, and parts can be had. Like many would agree that HKS coils are quality, yet you break something, your SOL!
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Also coilovers is just one piece of many that equate to track "setup".
Taking a stock nismo vs a stock nismo with coilovers no height adjustments = no real gain. You need to look into suspension pieces that go along with adding coils to your car. If anything, tires is where you money need to go.