Z Buying questions
Hi,
I'm interested in a 350z, so far I have about 22K saved up. I'm looking to buy the car in full and was wondering what options do I have. I'm also looking for a brand new Z not a pre-owned one. Since the 2007 models are about 28k MSRP base, would I have to settle for a 2006 model or a 2007 model and pay about 6k in monthly payments? It seems like my price range is more in line with the base model since I have only 22K.
I'm interested in a 350z, so far I have about 22K saved up. I'm looking to buy the car in full and was wondering what options do I have. I'm also looking for a brand new Z not a pre-owned one. Since the 2007 models are about 28k MSRP base, would I have to settle for a 2006 model or a 2007 model and pay about 6k in monthly payments? It seems like my price range is more in line with the base model since I have only 22K.
First off, if you have that much cash on hand, INVEST! Make that money work for you! Unless you're one of those who will never have to worry about money?? Also, "6k in monthly payments"?? Might want to get your credit right. WOW! I thought $530/month was bad?!
If you have 22k buying a car is the worst thing you can do. Look around for investment opportunities. With the amount that you have you should find something that'll give you at least a 5.5% return.
If your budget is $28,000, you may be able to find a leftover 2006. Selection will be limited, and you may have to travel to pick-up, but I think it will be in your price range.
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Was that a typo or did the original post state 22K budget for a brand new Z? If so, I really doubt you'll be able to find a new one for 22K. Even a leftover base model, which I drive from 03, which had leather added, which is more than enough for me, will fetch a lot more than that. I don't think 22K is realistic for a new Z.
Originally Posted by Subrwho
Also, "6k in monthly payments"?? Might want to get your credit right. WOW! I thought $530/month was bad?!
Honestly, go get a loan and see what the APR is going to be. If it's higher than you can make in CDs, Savings, Money Markets, Mutual Funds, then put a larger down payment. 6K Loan will be so minimal.
Yes Invest the money. Put 6-8k down and put the rest into stocks. Lets assume get a interest rate of 6-7% from you local credit union. The average rate of return for the S&P500 stock market, (symbol: SPY) over the last three decades has been 10% a year without needing to do any trading.
Originally Posted by LakerLenny
Yes Invest the money. Put 6-8k down and put the rest into stocks. Lets assume get a interest rate of 6-7% from you local credit union. The average rate of return for the S&P500 stock market, (symbol: SPY) over the last three decades has been 10% a year without needing to do any trading.

How much variance is there in the last 10 years? Assuming 10% is an average number, that really does not tell a full story. Interpreting what you just said, I should dump all my savings into SPY and watch it grow 10% every year. I really doubt that will happen.
If you assume you'll be investing for the mext 10 years and you're not afraid to go on the rollercoster ride knowing you'll make money after 10 years, stocks are a good, safe choice. Otherwise, you may be very disappointed with results in short term.
The OP asked how he should handle purchasing a Z and you guys are telling him to invest his money instead. I wonder how many of you would take your own advice back when you were buying your Z?
Is he better off driving a rattle bucket and investing the money in something instead? Sure. But then we all would never really drive Zs if we all really followed that code to the letter. I guess there is something said for quality of life. Given the current rates, he's probably better off buying the car with cash. If he gets a loan for 7% APR, he'll be hard pressed to find a safe investment channel that will produce gains that will justify him taking out a loan instead and using the money he would have spent to make an investment that will yield favorable results. So, if you can make 8% in a year using that cash, it would not be without risks. Is 1% gain on 22k worth that risk? Is 2% gain worth it? See what I mean?
Last edited by Ziggyrama; Jun 4, 2007 at 05:22 AM.
Originally Posted by Ziggyrama
Lies, lies and statistics. 
How much variance is there in the last 10 years? Assuming 10% is an average number, that really does not tell a full story. Interpreting what you just said, I should dump all my savings into SPY and watch it grow 10% every year. I really doubt that will happen.
If you assume you'll be investing for the mext 10 years and you're not afraid to go on the rollercoster ride knowing you'll make money after 10 years, stocks are a good, safe choice. Otherwise, you may be very disappointed with results in short term.
The OP asked how he should handle purchasing a Z and you guys are telling him to invest his money instead. I wonder how many of you would take your own advice back when you were buying your Z?
Is he better off driving a rattle bucket and investing the money in something instead? Sure. But then we all would never really drive Zs if we all really followed that code to the letter. I guess there is something said for quality of life. Given the current rates, he's probably better off buying the car with cash. If he gets a loan for 7% APR, he'll be hard pressed to find a safe investment channel that will produce gains that will justify him taking out a loan instead and using the money he would have spent to make an investment that will yield favorable results. So, if you can make 8% in a year using that cash, it would not be without risks. Is 1% gain on 22k worth that risk? Is 2% gain worth it? See what I mean?

How much variance is there in the last 10 years? Assuming 10% is an average number, that really does not tell a full story. Interpreting what you just said, I should dump all my savings into SPY and watch it grow 10% every year. I really doubt that will happen.
If you assume you'll be investing for the mext 10 years and you're not afraid to go on the rollercoster ride knowing you'll make money after 10 years, stocks are a good, safe choice. Otherwise, you may be very disappointed with results in short term.
The OP asked how he should handle purchasing a Z and you guys are telling him to invest his money instead. I wonder how many of you would take your own advice back when you were buying your Z?
Is he better off driving a rattle bucket and investing the money in something instead? Sure. But then we all would never really drive Zs if we all really followed that code to the letter. I guess there is something said for quality of life. Given the current rates, he's probably better off buying the car with cash. If he gets a loan for 7% APR, he'll be hard pressed to find a safe investment channel that will produce gains that will justify him taking out a loan instead and using the money he would have spent to make an investment that will yield favorable results. So, if you can make 8% in a year using that cash, it would not be without risks. Is 1% gain on 22k worth that risk? Is 2% gain worth it? See what I mean?
For all of those saying invest the money saved and take out a big loan I gotta ask if you owned your car outright today would you take a loan out on it to go invest in the market?
The advantage hes going to see in saving the money on the front end is that (hopefully) he will be years afterward without a car payment and can then put some money into the market and make good returns on that cash.
Originally Posted by zeekle
+1
For all of those saying invest the money saved and take out a big loan I gotta ask if you owned your car outright today would you take a loan out on it to go invest in the market?
The advantage hes going to see in saving the money on the front end is that (hopefully) he will be years afterward without a car payment and can then put some money into the market and make good returns on that cash.
For all of those saying invest the money saved and take out a big loan I gotta ask if you owned your car outright today would you take a loan out on it to go invest in the market?
The advantage hes going to see in saving the money on the front end is that (hopefully) he will be years afterward without a car payment and can then put some money into the market and make good returns on that cash.
^^ Exactly.
You should already have money budgeted for investing weather it be for retirement or extra income. If you don't have the money for both, you should be buying a cheaper car.
Originally Posted by zeekle
...For all of those saying invest the money saved and take out a big loan I gotta ask if you owned your car outright today would you take a loan out on it to go invest in the market?...
One of major DONTs of small time investing is borrowing money to invest. It's just a bad, bad idea. But don't take my word for it. Ask any seasoned, successful financial advisor and they will tell you the same thing.
get an 07 and finance the remainder, you could pay of 6K in a year and then own your new Z. Don;t forget to figure in Insurance which will be high if you're under 25.
I paid 28760 for my 07 enthusiast.
I paid 28760 for my 07 enthusiast.
Originally Posted by zeekle
+1
For all of those saying invest the money saved and take out a big loan I gotta ask if you owned your car outright today would you take a loan out on it to go invest in the market?
The advantage hes going to see in saving the money on the front end is that (hopefully) he will be years afterward without a car payment and can then put some money into the market and make good returns on that cash.
For all of those saying invest the money saved and take out a big loan I gotta ask if you owned your car outright today would you take a loan out on it to go invest in the market?
The advantage hes going to see in saving the money on the front end is that (hopefully) he will be years afterward without a car payment and can then put some money into the market and make good returns on that cash.
especially a paid of 350z.Im in similar grounds, I will have 10G's saved up by the new year, I want to get a 10G loan and buy a 350z. Ill pay that loan off in 2 yrs and not worry about car costs.
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