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protection package
Couple questions:
1. Does anyone know what the "protection package" from the dealer is? This is from a company called ECP - Entire Car Protection. Is it a wax?
Allright, please save the speach about I shouldnt have paid for it etc. Thank you.
2. Would it hurt anything to wax over it in a few months? I am thinking about Blackfire when it comes time, but I dont know about using a clay bar ( I have heard horror stories).
I am not real detail gung-ho, but I do like a shine and protection. I just dont want to spend $100 to do it and 10 hours. side note - any project I start I end up screwing up anyway.
Thanks all!
1. Does anyone know what the "protection package" from the dealer is? This is from a company called ECP - Entire Car Protection. Is it a wax?
Allright, please save the speach about I shouldnt have paid for it etc. Thank you.
2. Would it hurt anything to wax over it in a few months? I am thinking about Blackfire when it comes time, but I dont know about using a clay bar ( I have heard horror stories).
I am not real detail gung-ho, but I do like a shine and protection. I just dont want to spend $100 to do it and 10 hours. side note - any project I start I end up screwing up anyway.
Thanks all!
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I had all my windows and car parts etched with a number....is that the same thing? Keeps people from doing anything with the car parts after they steal it. I assume that's if they take it some place that actually cares about that stuff....which I'm sure most chop shops don't. In the end I think I'm still car less. Maybe I could post something on that stolen car forum and see what they think.
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Its a RIP OFF!
Its a rip off dude....
A few years ago dealerships would ask you "AFTER" you bought the car if you wanted the paint and cloth protectant...
They would present scary pics and charts of everything from Acid rain to Nuclear fallout damage.
Almost every car buying resdourse from Consumer Reports magazine to websites all said "NO, its a rip off and just a way for dealers to pad their profits".
Because so many people said NO, dealerships NOW just put it on and ask for the outrageous price, betting most people wont question it.
Even one saleman I spoke to when I bought my Z refered to it as the "$495 to $1,895 Bull Sh*t package".
I went to 3 dealerships....one wanted $1,595..I told him NO and that for me to buy the car he would have to remove the charge.
HE said NO, so I walked...
ANother dealer charged $495 and was willing to take it off...one problem though...they were honest enough to disclose and post on teh cars window that they were asking a $1,500 premium above MSRP for the car.
I told the salesman either he removes the premium and sell teh car to me for MSRP or I walk...he said NO...I walked...
The 3rd dealership had no premium but did have a $1,895 "Comfort/Protection" package.
I told them to remove the charge for it and I would buy...they did!
Thus I bought the car...
OF COURSE when the 2 other dealers called me to see if I still wanted to buy the car, and I told them I had bought one that night, they were all shocked and wanted to know why I dodnt give them a chance blah, blah, blah....
I told them "here is some good saleman training for you"...When you SNOOZE you LOSE!
Next time a customer says remove the charge and Ill buy...then REMOVE THE CHARGE!
HEhehehe
What a bunch og loser con artists.
A few years ago dealerships would ask you "AFTER" you bought the car if you wanted the paint and cloth protectant...
They would present scary pics and charts of everything from Acid rain to Nuclear fallout damage.
Almost every car buying resdourse from Consumer Reports magazine to websites all said "NO, its a rip off and just a way for dealers to pad their profits".
Because so many people said NO, dealerships NOW just put it on and ask for the outrageous price, betting most people wont question it.
Even one saleman I spoke to when I bought my Z refered to it as the "$495 to $1,895 Bull Sh*t package".
I went to 3 dealerships....one wanted $1,595..I told him NO and that for me to buy the car he would have to remove the charge.
HE said NO, so I walked...
ANother dealer charged $495 and was willing to take it off...one problem though...they were honest enough to disclose and post on teh cars window that they were asking a $1,500 premium above MSRP for the car.
I told the salesman either he removes the premium and sell teh car to me for MSRP or I walk...he said NO...I walked...
The 3rd dealership had no premium but did have a $1,895 "Comfort/Protection" package.
I told them to remove the charge for it and I would buy...they did!
Thus I bought the car...
OF COURSE when the 2 other dealers called me to see if I still wanted to buy the car, and I told them I had bought one that night, they were all shocked and wanted to know why I dodnt give them a chance blah, blah, blah....
I told them "here is some good saleman training for you"...When you SNOOZE you LOSE!
Next time a customer says remove the charge and Ill buy...then REMOVE THE CHARGE!
HEhehehe
What a bunch og loser con artists.
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If the show fits...
Sorry, I had to chastise you...BUT...
Anyway in regards to your question.....
Personally, if you are not willing to "Zaino" the car, then just wash it and wax with any wax thats is designed for clear coats...something which ALL new cars have.
The protection package wil be gone after your 1st or 2nd wax job because thats all it really is, i.e. a wax job.
When my wife bought a new Honda 10 years ago, I bought a special wax $25 that gave year long protection, because I was afraid of road salt etc, as we had just moved.That $25 is the same stuff the Protection Package is, so just wax over it.
My advise would be to stop being a wimp and ZAINO that baby!
Anyway in regards to your question.....
Personally, if you are not willing to "Zaino" the car, then just wash it and wax with any wax thats is designed for clear coats...something which ALL new cars have.
The protection package wil be gone after your 1st or 2nd wax job because thats all it really is, i.e. a wax job.
When my wife bought a new Honda 10 years ago, I bought a special wax $25 that gave year long protection, because I was afraid of road salt etc, as we had just moved.That $25 is the same stuff the Protection Package is, so just wax over it.
My advise would be to stop being a wimp and ZAINO that baby!
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OMG!!!!!!!!!
I just went to the ECP website....
From what I saw it looks like a "Multi-level" marketing business...
like Amway...No Joke..
Go to their website:
http://www.ecpinc.net/
If after viewing that site, if you dont feel you have been a sucker to buy something that was marketed to you as the "end all", but is actually just "average", then you need help.
PLEASE, cut your losses and ZAINO that baby..it will protect you better. I just spent $160 for a bunch of Zaino stuff that will last me a long time and protect better than that big $$$ scam package you got sold on.
NUFF SAID!
From what I saw it looks like a "Multi-level" marketing business...
like Amway...No Joke..
Go to their website:
http://www.ecpinc.net/
If after viewing that site, if you dont feel you have been a sucker to buy something that was marketed to you as the "end all", but is actually just "average", then you need help.
PLEASE, cut your losses and ZAINO that baby..it will protect you better. I just spent $160 for a bunch of Zaino stuff that will last me a long time and protect better than that big $$$ scam package you got sold on.
NUFF SAID!
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Analyze
If you notice, 90% of the info is about "how to make money"...NOT how great this stuff is.
Key words Profit, business, business building, profit maker, profit opportunities....
16 - page Business Building Booklet
Protective Coatings Profit Packet
36 page Catalog: Appearance & Reconditioning Products
Fragrances: Designer Series and PROFITMAKER
Auto Armor catalog (version)
The Protector (version)
STOP THAT THIEF
Retail Products - New Car Dealers
Retail Products - Private Label
Private Label Programs Profit Packet
16 - page Business Building Profit Opportunities Booklet
English Español Française Canadian
The Company Store: Platinum Protection Premium Car Care Products
Manufacturers Warehouse Sale - How to Qualify
Auctions
Authorized Distributor Near You
New Car Dealer Near You
Training Programs Available
I am not sure about the "Stop that Thief" stuff.. but the paint stuff is BS BS BS BS
Key words Profit, business, business building, profit maker, profit opportunities....
16 - page Business Building Booklet
Protective Coatings Profit Packet
36 page Catalog: Appearance & Reconditioning Products
Fragrances: Designer Series and PROFITMAKER
Auto Armor catalog (version)
The Protector (version)
STOP THAT THIEF
Retail Products - New Car Dealers
Retail Products - Private Label
Private Label Programs Profit Packet
16 - page Business Building Profit Opportunities Booklet
English Español Française Canadian
The Company Store: Platinum Protection Premium Car Care Products
Manufacturers Warehouse Sale - How to Qualify
Auctions
Authorized Distributor Near You
New Car Dealer Near You
Training Programs Available
I am not sure about the "Stop that Thief" stuff.. but the paint stuff is BS BS BS BS
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Re: OMG!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by Vin_Unleaded_2003
I just went to the ECP website....
From what I saw it looks like a "Multi-level" marketing business...
like Amway...No Joke..
Go to their website:
http://www.ecpinc.net/
If after viewing that site, if you dont feel you have been a sucker to buy something that was marketed to you as the "end all", but is actually just "average", then you need help.
PLEASE, cut your losses and ZAINO that baby..it will protect you better. I just spent $160 for a bunch of Zaino stuff that will last me a long time and protect better than that big $$$ scam package you got sold on.
NUFF SAID!
I just went to the ECP website....
From what I saw it looks like a "Multi-level" marketing business...
like Amway...No Joke..
Go to their website:
http://www.ecpinc.net/
If after viewing that site, if you dont feel you have been a sucker to buy something that was marketed to you as the "end all", but is actually just "average", then you need help.
PLEASE, cut your losses and ZAINO that baby..it will protect you better. I just spent $160 for a bunch of Zaino stuff that will last me a long time and protect better than that big $$$ scam package you got sold on.
NUFF SAID!
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God forbid
God forbid you should ask the dealer or worse...ECP...
Why dont you email Zaino or Blackfire?
I feel bad that you got that package...
Thats why I am so harsh....maybe with enough head banging, these dealers will stop acting like Junior Samples Used Car Sales.
Why dont you email Zaino or Blackfire?
I feel bad that you got that package...
Thats why I am so harsh....maybe with enough head banging, these dealers will stop acting like Junior Samples Used Car Sales.
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Re: Its a RIP OFF! (funny sales stories)
Man, I sure know what you mean. I have been there and done that too many times.
The BEST part is when they call you later. They get all mad that you didn't give them a chance to beat the price. I always say something like
"I DID give you a chance to do better! I came in to your showroom prepaired to buy a car and TOLD you what kind of deal I was looking for. You said no way and I believed you.
I enjoy the stunned reactions.
In a similar story......
That just happened with my wifes car. This weekend we bought a new PT Cruiser for her to commute in. The first dealer wanted $1000 over invoice (yeah right) because they would have <BEG TINY VIOLIN> to search for the car and have it brought from another dealer. </BEG TINY VIOLIN> I am sort of in a hurry (because the $2500 cash back ends 2/28) so, against my better judgement, I even offered him $500 over invoice. He still said no!! Whew, I regretted it as soon as I offered it anyway, but I am in a hurry.
So, I went 20 minutes down the road and the next salesman gave it to us for only $200 over invoice and he has to get it from out of state. He found exactly what we wanted in stock at another dealership.
It feels pretty good to get $2500 cash back on a car that only costs about $20K to start with.
The BEST part is when they call you later. They get all mad that you didn't give them a chance to beat the price. I always say something like
"I DID give you a chance to do better! I came in to your showroom prepaired to buy a car and TOLD you what kind of deal I was looking for. You said no way and I believed you.
I enjoy the stunned reactions.
In a similar story......
That just happened with my wifes car. This weekend we bought a new PT Cruiser for her to commute in. The first dealer wanted $1000 over invoice (yeah right) because they would have <BEG TINY VIOLIN> to search for the car and have it brought from another dealer. </BEG TINY VIOLIN> I am sort of in a hurry (because the $2500 cash back ends 2/28) so, against my better judgement, I even offered him $500 over invoice. He still said no!! Whew, I regretted it as soon as I offered it anyway, but I am in a hurry.
So, I went 20 minutes down the road and the next salesman gave it to us for only $200 over invoice and he has to get it from out of state. He found exactly what we wanted in stock at another dealership.
It feels pretty good to get $2500 cash back on a car that only costs about $20K to start with.
Originally posted by Vin_Unleaded_2003
Its a rip off dude....
A few years ago dealerships would ask you "AFTER" you bought the car if you wanted the paint and cloth protectant...
They would present scary pics and charts of everything from Acid rain to Nuclear fallout damage.
Almost every car buying resdourse from Consumer Reports magazine to websites all said "NO, its a rip off and just a way for dealers to pad their profits".
Because so many people said NO, dealerships NOW just put it on and ask for the outrageous price, betting most people wont question it.
<<SNIP>>What a bunch og loser con artists.
Its a rip off dude....
A few years ago dealerships would ask you "AFTER" you bought the car if you wanted the paint and cloth protectant...
They would present scary pics and charts of everything from Acid rain to Nuclear fallout damage.
Almost every car buying resdourse from Consumer Reports magazine to websites all said "NO, its a rip off and just a way for dealers to pad their profits".
Because so many people said NO, dealerships NOW just put it on and ask for the outrageous price, betting most people wont question it.
<<SNIP>>What a bunch og loser con artists.
Last edited by AndyB; Jan 26, 2003 at 11:52 AM.
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Yep...
I know and I abuse the a$$holes too!
I pull no punches....
They are all a bunch of scam and con artists who think they know it all but dont know squat.
The "kid" that sold me mine out did them all by not using a single sales pitch.
ARe you out there salesmen? ARe you listening?
Listen close....you are all STUPID.
Listen to your customers and STFU for once.
One saleman asked me if I would meet him in the middle regarding the $1500 premium....I said "NOPE".
So he gets all hissy and says really loud "You wont?!?!?"...
So I told him, to get real....why the hell should I buy from you when I am going tonight to buy it from another dealer who doesnt have a premium.
HELLO MCFLY!
I hope they call me again so I can abuse them some more.
I pull no punches....
They are all a bunch of scam and con artists who think they know it all but dont know squat.
The "kid" that sold me mine out did them all by not using a single sales pitch.
ARe you out there salesmen? ARe you listening?
Listen close....you are all STUPID.
Listen to your customers and STFU for once.
One saleman asked me if I would meet him in the middle regarding the $1500 premium....I said "NOPE".
So he gets all hissy and says really loud "You wont?!?!?"...
So I told him, to get real....why the hell should I buy from you when I am going tonight to buy it from another dealer who doesnt have a premium.
HELLO MCFLY!
I hope they call me again so I can abuse them some more.
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Hard to blame them
It's hard to blame the salesmen in some way. All this crap probably works more often than it fails and it makes them money. They are playing the odds.
I mean geez, if people will REALLY pay you over $1000 to wax their car before delivery it would be hard to turn that money down.
To me a GOOD salesman is the one who recognizes when a customer is on to these tactics and switches to "straight forward mode" instead of "slight of hand mode.
With my last car purchase...the guy was like I can see you have done a lot of homework, what are you looking to pay?" I told him Invoice he countered with $200 over? and I said Done. It was that simple BECAUSE he switched to being straight forward as soon as he saw my Manilla folder. The previous dealership I tried to buy it from tried all the standard tricks even though I came in carrying a folder full of printouts AND called them on each stunt as they tried it. It was almost surreal, like they thought they were starting to convince me or something. I wasn't sure if they were just overly persistant or completely clueless to how it was going.
I mean geez, if people will REALLY pay you over $1000 to wax their car before delivery it would be hard to turn that money down.
To me a GOOD salesman is the one who recognizes when a customer is on to these tactics and switches to "straight forward mode" instead of "slight of hand mode.
With my last car purchase...the guy was like I can see you have done a lot of homework, what are you looking to pay?" I told him Invoice he countered with $200 over? and I said Done. It was that simple BECAUSE he switched to being straight forward as soon as he saw my Manilla folder.
The previous dealership I tried to buy it from tried all the standard tricks even though I came in carrying a folder full of printouts AND called them on each stunt as they tried it. It was almost surreal, like they thought they were starting to convince me or something. I wasn't sure if they were just overly persistant or completely clueless to how it was going.
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Okay, I appreciate all you guys enthusiasm, but we are off topic.
The package is unfortunately already purchased and on the car, I just need to know if I can use any products on top of it? Again, thanks for the input so far and any in the future!
The package is unfortunately already purchased and on the car, I just need to know if I can use any products on top of it? Again, thanks for the input so far and any in the future!
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Re: Ask ECP?
Originally posted by Vin_Unleaded_2003
Why dont you just ask ECP..goto their website and snag an email or just ask Zaino.
They are the experts not us.
Why dont you just ask ECP..goto their website and snag an email or just ask Zaino.
They are the experts not us.
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Zaino on top.
Here is how I see it. If you wash the car with dish soap (as Zaino suggests) one of two things will happen. It will either remove the dealer applied protection or it won't.
If the dealer stuff comes off (as I suspect it will) you are no different than anyone else. You just got a clean car to put Zaino on.
If, by some miracle, the dealer stuff does not come off, then you can _probbaly_ just put Zaino on top of it. If the dealer coating didn't come off with soap it is probably a solid foundation for another coating.
If you are really worried about compatability you could test it on a small area first but I think you will be fine.
AndyB
If the dealer stuff comes off (as I suspect it will) you are no different than anyone else. You just got a clean car to put Zaino on.
If, by some miracle, the dealer stuff does not come off, then you can _probbaly_ just put Zaino on top of it. If the dealer coating didn't come off with soap it is probably a solid foundation for another coating.
If you are really worried about compatability you could test it on a small area first but I think you will be fine.
AndyB
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