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Old Sep 25, 2002 | 02:32 PM
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Has anyone tried Crystalguard?
From scanning their website - www.crystalguard.com - it looks like its a polymer sealant similar to Zaino but has a much harder finish that is half way to the 3M protective film.
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Old Sep 25, 2002 | 11:40 PM
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sealants are made to protect the finish of the cars paint and keep its luster new looking longer, but its protective abilities are highly overrated. Its not magic, it is still just a wax, and will NOT protect aginst rock chips and scratches from flying road debris. I was at a dealership once and a salesperson said their sealant protected as well as 3M film, I took him out to my car and ran my car key back and forth across my hood to no affect , then I asked him to let me do it on one of his cars that had sealant on it, they offer our kits now
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Old Sep 27, 2002 | 10:30 AM
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Just a Hint Guys,

Let's try not to beat up CrystalGuard too much. I believe our new owner TakoZ is the owner of the company. Just my opinion.
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Old Sep 27, 2002 | 10:51 AM
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It's not a wax. FYI Other sealant products are just a little bit grown wax Most of them are based on teflon. Mine is a totally newly invented chemical in Japan that is based on liquid crystal fiber. I am not a kind of person waste money on investing stupid wax product

I tried ClearArmor but I removed in few days... Just preference. No offence. You will know what I mean if you see my car... Bring one clear bra covered car to Bay Area dinner on 10/4. It's totally different product. For protection, clear bra is better. For the looking, I like mine better. Other paint sealant products are not that good 'cause it's teflone based and u gonna have nightmare of oxidation and maintenance.

If you want to do keying test, I would like to do strong acid test on clear bra and mine Let's pour strong acid on hood and burn it then let's see what happens Just kiddng.

Anyway, these two products don't need to compete. You can sell both at the same time, boys. If you gotta chose one, all u do is compromise strength or looking. And my product covers whole body including plastic parts, chrome parts, and wheels at the same time.

I am talking to huge dealer companies already (4 digits of dealers in US) and they are shocked to see how my black cars look like. I am also starting biz with airplane industry since this product has no oxidation. You'll see press release etc. this year or next year here and there. SEMA show, too.

Shop opens next week or so, I welcome your visits Anyway, I would sell both
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Old Sep 27, 2002 | 11:04 AM
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Hey guys,

here's the pics that made me talk to the inventor to get exclusive deal from Japan.

http://ns2.namaeserver.com/~wi6/CGZ8/

I found someone else's Z8 and tried to take pics from exactly the same angles. You can see the difference easily in the brightness of the imaged reflecting on the body. The other one is waxed too.

Enjoy....
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Old Sep 27, 2002 | 11:12 AM
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Hey Tako.. you said oxidation... Does Zaino oxidize paint over time?
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Old Sep 27, 2002 | 11:14 AM
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YES. ANY teflon based sealant or wax, just try to leave some of the bird's gifts on it for a week. You will see stain on it
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Old Sep 27, 2002 | 11:50 AM
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Hey Tako - a couple of questions. I want to try your crystal guard.
1) When can it be purchased?
2 Looked at the site, and it reccommends a professional, experienced application professional. Since this product is so new, how do I find one of these people?
3) Can the produt NOT be applied by the cars owner, such as Zaino or similar products are?

An expedient reply would be greatly appreciated, as I would like to get maximum protection on my Z ASAP.

P.S. Product looks super great. Just hope everything is true. I am psyched!
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Old Sep 27, 2002 | 11:59 AM
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If it is better than Zaino, I want to sell it. Does it have a measurable thickness when applied? What about swirl marks and fine scratches?
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Old Sep 27, 2002 | 12:03 PM
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1) When can it be purchased?

I think Oct. I am finalizing brochure etc.

2 Looked at the site, and it reccommends a professional, experienced application professional. Since this product is so new, how do I find one of these people?

Only in bay area for now. but as soon as all the products are ready, I am talking to nationwide dealers so it will be easier to find. But if you are patient and good for polishing cars, you an do it yourself ASAP

3) Can the produt NOT be applied by the cars owner, such as Zaino or similar products are?

You can do it yourself too.
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Old Sep 27, 2002 | 12:04 PM
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Advantage of CrystalGuard is, even if it's only 1 micron thick, you can put multiple layers if you want. For example, My Z8 has over 10 layers for the test.

Swirls, you have to buff your car first then seal it. Then you have very minimum maintenance. Usually, other paint sealant products just fake swirls. One you wash it, your swirls say hello to you again. This product's concept is different.

Anyway... Seeing is believing. If you want to see my cars, come up to Bay Area dinner on 10/4. If you live close.......


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If it is better than Zaino, I want to sell it. Does it have a measurable thickness when applied? What about swirl marks and fine scratches?
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Old Sep 27, 2002 | 12:15 PM
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Tako

Thanks much. Please open up the ordering on your web site so I can order. I particulary want Primer, EX, Pro, and Quick. If I order, will instructions be available/included? If not when?

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Old Sep 27, 2002 | 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by 350z_tako
Anyway, these two products don't need to compete. You can sell both at the same time, boys. If you gotta chose one, all u do is compromise strength or looking. And my product covers whole body including plastic parts, chrome parts, and wheels at the same time.
So Tako, say I want to put a Dyna Sheild clear bra on my car, does Crystal guard work well over the Clear bra? Has it been tested?

And do you have rough cost ranges for what a professional application of EX would run?

And please look into getting Mike as a professional Applicator in ATlanta, it'd be great if I could use him for both installs.
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Old Sep 27, 2002 | 05:31 PM
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As long as the surface doesn't observe the chemical, CrystalGuard can cement to create crystal layer. But It makes more sense to do CrystalGuard first then Clear Bra stuff...., I guess. It's proven to use for wheels, wood panels, chrome parts, plastic parts, etc. but I have never tried over clear bra. However, even if it is a glass fiber, just like optic fiber, thin layer is pretty flexible, so it could be worth to try.

Next monday, I am sending test pieces of my product, other sealant product and clear bra to the labo, so I will show the result later. You will see how it protects from oxidation etc. Gimme some more time

BTW, krinkov gave us a good quote. Other sealant is just a WAX. FYI.
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Old Sep 27, 2002 | 07:14 PM
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I thought I read somewhere on this site that all wax/polish/etc has to be removed from the area where the clear bra is applied. I'd be worried that the clear bra'd section would look very dull if you weren't able to use Crystal Guard over it too.

Maybe since the 3M material is clearcoated, it won't matter what it's made of underneath. Unless you want to Crystal Guard before you put on the bra.

If possible for best look/protection I'd think I'd want to Crystal Guard the car (1 coat), clear bra the front, then put a base coat of Crystal Guard over the bra'd area, then put the top coat(s) on the whole car.

What do you guys think?
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Old Sep 27, 2002 | 07:32 PM
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That's cool way of application....
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Old Sep 27, 2002 | 08:44 PM
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wax only has to be removed before installation of the 3M PPF, afterwards it can be waxed over normaly, so as long as crystalguard goes on like conventional sealants it shouldnt be a problem, and yes Tako, it does look better on the car than PPF, its a trade off between a higher degree of impact protection and looking as unobtrusive as possible, I wasnt trying to state that your product didnt work at all, but darrensi's idea that it was 1/2 the way to PPF was innacurate, even by the chart on your site.

I know PPF and sealant work great together, the only way i can get dealerships to offer our product is to convince them they can still sell their sealants on top of it. I tell them PPF only covers 5-10% of the cars painted surface, so there is still plenty of use for providing protection to the rest of the paint that doesnt experience the same heavy impact as the area our kit covers. I'll write you, if its as good as it sounds, I would like to offer it too!
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Old Sep 28, 2002 | 01:42 AM
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This chemical hasn't been invented in USA yet. That's why I have put money on it. Just try it!!!! Do you wanna check it out???
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Old Sep 28, 2002 | 03:36 AM
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Originally posted by 350z_tako
As long as the surface doesn't observe the chemical, CrystalGuard can cement to create crystal layer. But It makes more sense to do CrystalGuard first then Clear Bra stuff...., I guess.
Typically, it is best to put this type of product over the film. The film will give complete protection to the paint. The sealant will enhance gloss and protect the film just like it would paint. Any improved gloss the sealant gives the paint would be eliminated when the paint film is put over it. The film is a urethane, it responds to waxes and sealants just like paint. So far the best we have found is ZAINO or PLEXUS plastic polish. I can't wait to see how Crystalguard works.

350Z tako PLEASE PM OR EMAIL ME about how I can obtain this product for testing with various types of paint film and possible resale.
MIke@dynashield.com
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Old Sep 28, 2002 | 08:52 AM
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Smile Crystal Guars on the Brickyard

It is a deep shine. You can see it at Tako dinner.
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