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Old Apr 16, 2007 | 01:35 PM
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Why are people question 04treefiddy now. He has had this setup for a while now, and has run some really good times.

Those are really good times on just Azenis 512's. I guess I know what kinda of tires I will be replacing my Azenis ST 115's with!
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Old Apr 16, 2007 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by S8ER95Z
Traction issues would explain it... a 3450lb raceweight Fbody can go bottom 12s on DRs with ~ 350rwhp... hard to believe a slightly lighter car couldn't do better with more power.
Your talking about almost the same weight and FI V6 3.5L vs NA 5.7L

The NA car will always be quicker whp to whp because of the NA's natural response --- instant --- whereas boosted motors tend to take longer to run through the rev range as compared to their NA counterparts who make the same whp --- and with the cubes, the torque the Fbody is making goes a long way

Plus launching an Fbody is easier on top of that

The IRS cars like the Supra, 350z RX7 etc... always have wheel hop issues when trying to launch on street tires
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Old Apr 16, 2007 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Alberto
they all think high 12's, low 13's....
some people just don't understand the vast difference that someone who is a really good drag racer can make over someone who is merely an average drag racer. when the power starts going up, the gulf widens.

nice times treefiddy

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Old Apr 16, 2007 | 05:25 PM
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Personally, I see absolutely no problems believing his times at all. I managed a 12.431 @ 111 on Nitto 555R. These aren't exactly weather-friendly "street" tires, but you'll see tons of guys running them on their daily driver... and they sure as hell aren't the best drag radial, either.

All in all, he pulled off descent 60' times for a pure street tire.

I say good job!
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Old Apr 16, 2007 | 06:06 PM
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i don't understand people. I've posted everytime slip i've done( i will post these to when i get time). My first pass with the blower was a 12.7 on the same tires. It took me a few times to learn to launch it with the blower.



Btw my car is a 6spd and best time is 12.1@113 in 83 degree weather.
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Old Apr 16, 2007 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Nealoc187
some people just don't understand the vast difference that someone who is a really good drag racer can make over someone who is merely an average drag racer. when the power starts going up, the gulf widens.
nice times treefiddy
True, it frustrates me when I see people questioning a guy who has posted many time slips, and people believe some guy in an AT Z cut a 1.65 60ft on street tires in the 1/4 database thread. Not picking on you coach, many guys do it man. Drag racing is harder than most people give it credit for!
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Old Apr 16, 2007 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Alberto
Drag racing is harder than most people give it credit for!

Not that everything else you said did not make sense, but I will quote this for emphasis! Too many people think its just going out and putting the pedal to the floor.

treefiddy, Im not sure where all these people were when you were posting up your first couple slips a while ago. They are coming out of the woodwork now though!
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Old Apr 16, 2007 | 06:37 PM
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let me say this. For all the new people reading into this. Do some research. Find all my threads started. You will see my timeslips and posts.
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Old Apr 16, 2007 | 11:50 PM
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Nice runs!
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Old Apr 17, 2007 | 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by SergEK
Your talking about almost the same weight and FI V6 3.5L vs NA 5.7L

The NA car will always be quicker whp to whp because of the NA's natural response --- instant --- whereas boosted motors tend to take longer to run through the rev range as compared to their NA counterparts who make the same whp --- and with the cubes, the torque the Fbody is making goes a long way

Plus launching an Fbody is easier on top of that

The IRS cars like the Supra, 350z RX7 etc... always have wheel hop issues when trying to launch on street tires
Good points and good post.
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Old Apr 17, 2007 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Alberto
True, it frustrates me when I see people questioning a guy who has posted many time slips, and people believe some guy in an AT Z cut a 1.65 60ft on street tires in the 1/4 database thread. Not picking on you coach, many guys do it man. Drag racing is harder than most people give it credit for!
No problem and no disrespect to threefiddy.I'm just trying to figure out if its necessary to run D/R's if people are putting down good times on street tires. Threefiddy can you let us know if you do burnouts with your street tires and is that why you have ok 60'times.There was a debate awhile back when it came to doing burnouts on street tires.I know that a little tire spin is ok when launching.I agree with you Alberto when you say drag racing is harder than most people give it credit for.I'm just always looking for that edge if you know what I mean..
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Old Apr 17, 2007 | 09:54 AM
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If your looking for an edge, get DR's! Makes like much eaiser @ the track coach....
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Old Apr 17, 2007 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Alberto
If your looking for an edge, get DR's! Makes like much eaiser @ the track coach....
I have BFG D/R's and that is what I had on in the video,but its just a pain in the a$$ to change them back and forth. In Florida you never know when its going to rain and driving on D/R's is quite the experience on wet roads.
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Old Apr 17, 2007 | 04:45 PM
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i don't do burn outs on street tires. I just turn them over to get the rocks and such off of them.
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Old Apr 17, 2007 | 09:03 PM
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Thats what I always thought you were supposed to do. Im not too sure if your Azenis 512's would be very happy about that. You should try it though perhaps at the end of a day. Im pretty sure we all know what should happen, excessive wheel spin during the launch due to high tire temp., but it would lower peoples curiosity about it. You are a consistent driver, and if you get a crappy 60' after a burnout, then it should be obvious!
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 04treefiddy
i don't do burn outs on street tires. I just turn them over to get the rocks and such off of them.
Same here. Avoid the water box, couple quick spins to clear any debris, and go.
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 05:22 AM
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i'm not running the azenis. i'm running the less sticky tire the Ziex
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 06:56 AM
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Wow, thats even more impressive. Those are by no means Falkens performance tires. Thats pretty sweet!
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by bacalhau16
Thats what I always thought you were supposed to do. Im not too sure if your Azenis 512's would be very happy about that. You should try it though perhaps at the end of a day. Im pretty sure we all know what should happen, excessive wheel spin during the launch due to high tire temp., but it would lower peoples curiosity about it. You are a consistent driver, and if you get a crappy 60' after a burnout, then it should be obvious!
I've been consistently telling racers not to do burnouts on street tires due to the high tire temps, and definitely avoid the water box on street tires, but there are guys out there that will dispute that and I thought you might be one of them.Glad to see that someone else shares my opinion.
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 06:56 PM
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Yea, I definitely know better about burning up your street tires at the track, and going through the water box. I usually get mad about stupid street cars that race before me and drag a bunch of water into the box because of this.

I still think with his consistency on his 60's, he should make a video of all his runs, then on the last run do a burnout to show how bad it actually is. It should say it all.
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