Hey Guys,

I have a question and a concern when it comes to the 07's in the Bolt on list.

We all know they are a much stronger engine from the factory then the older VQ35DE engines.

SO, my question is... Should we have a Bolt-on list just for the 07's? Because as it is now the 07's are running faster times STOCK then most are running with Bolt-ons. Once they have Bolt-on they will be bumping most of the older engines off of the list and then the list will be mainly the 07's.

When it comes to FI or Nitrous i dont see this as big of a issue.

What is everyone thoughts on this, please discuss.

Let me know

Todd

 

We should have a bolt-on list for the 07's just to keep things comparable. Also, that way we can see the improved engine 'OWN' the VQDE.

 

Please have a bolt on list on the 07s Thanks

 

I agree.

Now aceman will have to buy more trophies...

 

The 2007 stock pushed me from #9 to #13. No big deal.

For the all-motor class, the 2007 will be a challenge. What I think you will see is that the 2007 is difficult to improve. The bump in all-motor is 13.77 seconds. I see the modified 2007 making the bump, but not decimating the entire class. Besides, I look forward to competing against the 2007.

For the time being leave it alone.

 

I know its going to take time for mods to come out for the new engine, but factor in just one thing ( slicks, Dr's ). If Veetec can run a 13.3 with stock tires, what do you think will happen with Slicks and nothing else? Then they start changing other parts ( pullies, flywheels, final drive, heads, cams, intake ) you see where i am going with this.

Just thought i would get everyones opinions before i make or not make the change. This thread was put together for the community and i want to make sure everyone who cares can voice their opinion on the matter.

I just wanted to start this thread now, before more people get bumped off of the Bolt-on list.

Thanks for everyones opinions thus far...

Later
Todd

 

I forgot about the 2007 with slicks. Good point.

 

I personally don't care, as I don't see them as a threat just yet. However, for the sake of others, I'd recommend having a new class just for the HR engines.

Todd, if anything, we should just create a separate list in the same post. So in the same post it shows 2 different rankings list - 1 for DEs and 1 for HRs.

 

i agree with making a separate list i like knowing what the original z vq is running vs the new one.

 

I think that a separate list between DR's, full slicks, and street tires would be the best thing. Slicks will pull more off than the HR motor does.

When I've run I've thought I could get more out of the car, but its temperature and traction thats limiting me. Slicks would pull almost .6 off my run...easily if the car didn't bog (wouldn't with a good launch). So I don't think a .2-.3 tenth difference justifies the separation.

 

Doesn't bother me. A separate list wouldn't be a bad idea, I say do it

 

Im think we have too many lists now. An example is Nitrous. Nitrous is stagnant. The numbers remain the same. No one moves. No one competes. Its boring.

 

Well - I think a single/dual turbo combination, even a if it was a general FI would be better.

Ultimately I'm only using the list to make a general comparison between my car and others and conditions vary enough that I already know where I stand.

I still say DR's/slicks are the biggest advantage. At the track here cars with DR's get lane choice so I usually get the slower lane (my best run was ironically in the slow lane ) meaning less chance of a great run.

Thats just my opinion though, yours may be different.

 

I say create a separate list, but my motives are not benevolent. I'm at #23 right now. I'm already at a disadvantage to the other cars due to my weight penalty(g35 sedan). Once the 07s start making the modded list, I'm toast.

Hell, my full bolt-ons with DR's sedan is slower than the top 6 guys in the Stock list.

 

I'm for a seperate list.

I know the GTO guys have a seperate list for the LS1 versus the LS2. I think the HR motor should have it's own list stock and with bolt ons.

 

agreed. Its makes sense. What about the the rev up. Is that not to much of a change to require a new list as well?

 

I dont see why there shouldnt be a seperate list. The motors are that different, and its obvious. There are still so many new members that are purchasing 03-06 Z's that would like to compare their cars to the list. If the list fills up with a bunch of 07's, its not a good comparison for them any longer.

 

definitely change the list when the Z gets the 3.7L... might keep it the same for now and play it by ear. The Z did gain a few pounds didn't it?

 

I say do it. Makes it more interesting.