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Old 09-28-2007, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by SOLO-350Z
I just posted my proof. I also have owned a FBODY car. You are the one mistaken and I proved that. Enjoy being wrong!

Oh btw, seems what I posted proves your wrong in your latest post too.
The links you provided only show what every experienced drag racer already knows...

A modified or performance AT (TH350/400, etc.) will perform better at the track than an MT, especially as the horsepower increases. There is a point reached (power-wise), where a human being just does not have the skill necessary to outperform the AT.

However, stock AT vs stock MT (if the driver knows how to shift) will be faster with the MT. This holds true with just about any car, whether it's an f-body, 350Z, etc.
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The AT no matter what on the FBODY will be faster in the 60 ft compared to the MT, stock or not. After that the MT will be faster. But just replacing the Staul on the AT will then cause the MT to be left behind. That is what I have said several times.
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Originally Posted by SOLO-350Z
The AT no matter what on the FBODY will be faster in the 60 ft compared to the MT, stock or not. After that the MT will be faster. But just replacing the Staul on the AT will then cause the MT to be left behind. That is what I have said several times.
I agree on the 60" and on the upgrade portion. However, out of the box, the MT is faster in the 1/4 (for the most part) than the AT. It doesn't take much, however, the fbody's AT does need some minor upgrades to make it consistently faster.
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The MT is only faster in the TRAP speed but not the 1/4 time. The AT's are getting lower 1/4 times than the MT on average with the FBODYS.
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Originally Posted by SOLO-350Z
The MT is only faster in the TRAP speed but not the 1/4 time. The AT's are getting lower 1/4 times than the MT on average with the FBODYS.
These are the fastest LS1 times known in existence with proof.. they are also M6 cars..




Find me a quicker/faster bone stock Auto and we will talk. Until then you are completely off base here....

Also think about it... if what you are saying what true then C5 and C6 auto cars would be faster in the 1/4 then M6 cars when they are not.

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I posted my info. Sorry to say you are wrong thinking the MT is faster. EOD.
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http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=326765

Note:

"Local guy here got a 12.6x at 110 out of his stock '01 Formula hardtop A4."

"I seen a buddies brother run a 12.9 in a 98' T/A A4 with about 110,000 mi on it, it was 100% stock i about s*it myself (no DR's) 18lbs pressure in rear tires.
crazy."
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Originally Posted by SOLO-350Z
I posted my info. Sorry to say you are wrong thinking the MT is faster. EOD.
You posted your opinion and your info was nothing more than opinion about which is better. Fact is with equal drivers and conditions an M6 will be an A4 everytime in ET and MPH.

GM themselves have said the 4L60E cars perform slower...here is a breakdown of LS1 Corvette figures...

Torque on the LS1 is rated 385ft lbs with an M6 and only 360ft lbs with the A4...

A4 2.73 - 0-60 / 4.90 1/4 13.65
A4 3.15 - 0-60 / 4.75 1/4 13.50
M6 3.42 - 0-60 / 4.55 1/4 13.25
http://www.corvettemuseum.com/specs/...erformance.htm

I don't know how to present you with anything you will believe aside from cold hard facts and figures... you can keep tossing opinion at me if you want.
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Originally Posted by SOLO-350Z
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=326765

Note:

"Local guy here got a 12.6x at 110 out of his stock '01 Formula hardtop A4."

"I seen a buddies brother run a 12.9 in a 98' T/A A4 with about 110,000 mi on it, it was 100% stock i about s*it myself (no DR's) 18lbs pressure in rear tires.
crazy."
If you notice 3 posts down Antz called him out on this... nice quote but wheres the proof?

If you believe your autos are superior argument how come the top 25 fastest cars on this site prove just the opposite??

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I posted facts all over the net and as usual you want to deny it because you hate admiting you are WRONG.

More proof from VETTE owners.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...716266c0be7981

They even say the Auto is a hair faster stock vs stock. EVEN GM says it!

"You know, I am positive you are a very smart guy. But here is the problem
I have. GM and every rag states that the auto with the 3.15 has 4.7 -4.8
0-60 time. GM and every rag states that The 6 speed has 4.7 - 4.8 0-60
times. Even if their test were slower they go into why. Every test
published, shows that the 0-30 times for the auto are less than the 6speed.
So at 60 the auto is in front. GM states tha the 1/4 times are equal. Any
rag that has tested the same body with the 3.15s vs a 6speed, only 2 both
were converts, the auto was in front all the way. Lets just say that this
was chance (which I believe is true) and usually they are pretty equal 0-60
and 1/4 mile. "


Hard facts from GMs mouth. You keep getting owned.

Tell you what, FIND me where they actually say and everyone agrees the MT's are faster than the AT. Because I have YET to see you do that. But everywhere I search, and have been searching shows the AT's being faster.

Originally Posted by S8ER95Z
You posted your opinion and your info was nothing more than opinion about which is better. Fact is with equal drivers and conditions an M6 will be an A4 everytime in ET and MPH.

GM themselves have said the 4L60E cars perform slower...here is a breakdown of LS1 Corvette figures...

Torque on the LS1 is rated 385ft lbs with an M6 and only 360ft lbs with the A4...

A4 2.73 - 0-60 / 4.90 1/4 13.65
A4 3.15 - 0-60 / 4.75 1/4 13.50
M6 3.42 - 0-60 / 4.55 1/4 13.25
http://www.corvettemuseum.com/specs/...erformance.htm

I don't know how to present you with anything you will believe aside from cold hard facts and figures... you can keep tossing opinion at me if you want.

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Originally Posted by S8ER95Z
If you notice 3 posts down Antz called him out on this... nice quote but wheres the proof?

If you believe your autos are superior argument how come the top 25 fastest cars on this site proof just the opposite??
Okay, benefit of the doubt he called him out on the 12.6. But then the 12.9.
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Originally Posted by SOLO-350Z
I posted facts all over the net and as usual you want to deny it because you hate admiting you are WRONG.

More proof from VETTE owners.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...716266c0be7981

They even say the Auto is a hair faster stock vs stock. EVEN GM says it!

"You know, I am positive you are a very smart guy. But here is the problem
I have. GM and every rag states that the auto with the 3.15 has 4.7 -4.8
0-60 time. GM and every rag states that The 6 speed has 4.7 - 4.8 0-60
times. Even if their test were slower they go into why. Every test
published, shows that the 0-30 times for the auto are less than the 6speed.
So at 60 the auto is in front. GM states tha the 1/4 times are equal. Any
rag that has tested the same body with the 3.15s vs a 6speed, only 2 both
were converts, the auto was in front all the way. Lets just say that this
was chance (which I believe is true) and usually they are pretty equal 0-60
and 1/4 mile. I am not arguing that autos always beat 6speeds hands down.
But for some reason you always say that the 6speed will always win, no
matter what. How can this be? And as I have said before 2 of my cars are 5
speeds. And one other point to debate, the area under the curve is
determined by the overall ratio. A touque converter is not a simple fluid
coupling. It Multiplies torque, so when you figure the integral with that,
the auto is even geared lower overall than just the gear ratios of the
transmission and the carrier. You always here that the fastest cars in the
world are manuals. This is of course not true, just check out what Zora did
with 4 powerglide torque converters. Let alone an F car. I know you love
your 6speed, just as I love my dog. But I also know there might be a better
dog out there somewhere. "


Hard facts from GMs mouth. You keep getting owned.

Tell you what, FIND me where they actually say and everyone agrees the MT's are faster than the AT. Because I have YET to see you do that. But everywhere I search, and have been searching shows the AT's being faster.
I posted you a magazine article proving what a MT has ran... I don't see much more than I could do to show you are wrong. Do you have any ACTUAL proof of a faster Auto? I will wait for a reply that doesn't include more opinion or 'my friends uncles car ran a 12.3 stock'.

You can keep quoting assclowns on the internet but we all know that what gets said on the internet is far from fact. If you want a bunch of nobodys in a forum posting that they agree with me I can pull up the old car clubs web forums and get a bunch of posts to help my cause.
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So your a mag racer now? I just proved to you what AT's have run.

They run identical times with the nod normally going to the AT due to less driver error and faster shifting. KNOWN FACT. You said in your post and argued that the MT are just plain faster which they are not.

I haven't been wrong, I supported all my claims with real world times not one drag run with a car in a magazine.

So everyone is a Assclown because they are right and you don't agree with them?

Like I said, GO ask the REST of the Fbody guys, link us to a post on their forum, and come back here. I will wait and see what they say. Till then, I am done here. EOD.

So everyone is a Assclown because they are right and you don't agree with them?

PS, your drag times suck btw in your sig. SADDDDDDDD for a car that can run better.
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Originally Posted by SOLO-350Z
I posted facts all over the net and as usual you want to deny it because you hate admiting you are WRONG.

More proof from VETTE owners.
The AT C5 is not faster that the MT C5. More of a tossup between the C6 AT/MT's.

Bone stock times for both C5 & C6 base Vettes...

C5 Showroom Stock
12.636 @ 111.74 - 04SnakeNJ - 50th Annv M6
12.84x @ 111.xx - Ramsiec5 - 1999 FRC M6.
12.923 @ 107.08 - Jersey_C5 - 2004 A4 - zip-tie mod
12.930 @ 110.35 - Floman- 1999 FRC M6- GS performance air intake
12.95x @ 111.xx - Tmyz 2k - 2000 Coupe M6 - zip tie, clean-up tune
12.990 @ 107.01 - Mistamike17 - 2004 Coupe Bone Stock
12.99x @ 109.81 - c5vette_dallas - 1999 FRC
13.000 @ 109.37 - BlackBoosted2 - 1998 Coupe, M6, K&N Intake only
13.1xx @ 108.xx - CarsRfun's Dad - bone stock 2004 coupe
13.1xx @ 106.xx - prwest - 2003 A4
13.308 @ 104.61 - JayGood - 2000 A4 vert
13.377 @ 104.87 - Roadsho - 2002 Coupe A4
13.637 @ 102.32 - Novicetoo - 98 Vert A4

C6 Showroom Stock
12.21 @ 115.45 - LS1LT1- 06 A6
12.23 @ 115.58 - 06C6FVR - 06 Z51 M6
12.31 @ 114.82 - CYA Vett - 05 F55 M6
12.42 @ 113.90 - DrRichie - 05 Z51 M6
12.45 @ 114.97 - Atomic Punk - 08 A6
12.46 @ 116.55 - Yankee - 08 A6 F55 NPP, 2.73
12.49 @ 114.90 - Jschindler - 05 Z51 M6
12.53 @ 113.00 - Wicked07C6 - 07 Z51 M6
12.54 @ 113.59 - Tony 63 Vette - 06 A6
12.54 @ 113.74 - Tony96LT4 - 06 Z51 A6
12.54 @ 113.24 - NineBall - 05 Z51 M6 - tstat
12.56 @ 113.39 - Red Sleeper -06 A6
12.56 @ 112.00 - Orange C6 - 05 Z51 A4
12.63 @ 114.88 - Prankster - 06 M6
12.65 @ 111.65 - Zippin Zee - 05 Z51 M6
12.66 @ 113.03 - Mdrrandall - 07 Z51 M6
12.69 @ 112.32 - Silverlx -06 A6
12.70 @ 112.43 - Jelsis - 06 Z51 A6
12.70 @ 113.00 - Blackmajik -07 A6
12.71 @ 111.30 - Flyin05 - 05 Z51 M6
12.71 @ 111.00 - Demented - 05 Z51 A4
12.72 @ 111.98 - SR0707 - 06 A6
12.72 @ 110.85 - AngeloC6 - 05 F55 A4 3.15 (open shroud)
12.74 @ 108.67 - Shooter 49 - 05 A4 3.15
12.75 @ 109.25 - Ponchorello -05 A4 3.15
12.76 @ 112.57 - C5Pilot - 07 Z51 A6
12.78 @ 115.14 - Prankster - 06 M6
12.79 @ 112.17 - Jchazr - 05 Z51 M6
12.80 @ 111.00 - SheDevilC6 - 07 Z51 A6
12.81 @ 112.83 - Vette-oholic - 05 Z51 M6
12.83 @ 109.44 - Tommy D - 05 A4 3.15
12.84 @ 112.98 - Proney - 06 M6
12.85 @ 114.53 - Mr Z51 - 06 Z51 M6
12.90 @ 114.83 - Normlunt - 05 Z51 M6 - tstat
12.93 @ 111.40 - DiggyMoe -07 M6
12.97 @ 108.00 - Ginny C6 - 05 F55 A4
12.98 @ 108.00 - Tampa Vet - 05 A4 3.15
12.99 @ 111.70 - C64ME - 05 Z51 M6
13.04 @ 109.15 - TMyers - 06 A6
13.05 @ 113.31 - RDunn - 06 M6
13.10 @ 108.70 - Rothchilds - 05 F55 A4 3.15
13.12 @ 110.40 - JDWK - 05 Z51 M6
13.25 @ 110.60 - C6 Matt - 05 Z51 M6
13.26 @ 108.59 - Sfadchi - 06 Z51 A6
13.26 @ 105.30 - Joeking - 05 Z51 A4
13.30 @ 107.00 - Shurite44 -06 Z51 A6
13.35 @ 108.10 - Phatpharmd - 06 A6
13.62 @ 106.18 - Rich28 - 05 Z51 A4

The list clearly shows that for the C5, the MT is by far a better stock drag platform vs the AT (stock vs stock only). For the C6, it shows the AT having the fastest (by 2 100th's) over the MT, but when you compare all the entries, the MT holds more of the top slots.
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Know what 'DA' means?? I don't think you have a clue.

And yes a bunch of people saying 'I THINK the a4 is faster' doesn't prove anything. WOW.....

Evan Smith is a track GOD... those times were done by a man (evan) at a drag strip and published in a magazine. You can dismiss them because you are naive or you can acknowledge what the car (or cars) have done at the track and consider it proof/fact.

Keep going you might make sense one of these times...

The list clearly shows that for the C5, the MT is by far a better stock drag platform vs the AT (stock vs stock only).
EDIT: You pretty much just made what I am saying 100% concrete...the C5 platform used the 4L60E and the C6 a 4L65E. Better transmission with a different outcome. If you can agree with that I don't think there is much left to say here...

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LOL your list only proves there are more manual drivers taking their cars to the drag strip and actually reporting them. Nothing more. I see a few A4's at the top as well.

Sorry but 8 years of experience with a LS1 and a C4 Vette I know what I have seen and read and also proved that above. Again show me where others agree that the MTs are really faster than the Autos. You won't find that.

Originally Posted by HDPD350Z
The AT C5 is not faster that the MT C5. More of a tossup between the C6 AT/MT's.

Bone stock times for both C5 & C6 base Vettes...

C5 Showroom Stock
12.636 @ 111.74 - 04SnakeNJ - 50th Annv M6
12.84x @ 111.xx - Ramsiec5 - 1999 FRC M6.
12.923 @ 107.08 - Jersey_C5 - 2004 A4 - zip-tie mod
12.930 @ 110.35 - Floman- 1999 FRC M6- GS performance air intake
12.95x @ 111.xx - Tmyz 2k - 2000 Coupe M6 - zip tie, clean-up tune
12.990 @ 107.01 - Mistamike17 - 2004 Coupe Bone Stock
12.99x @ 109.81 - c5vette_dallas - 1999 FRC
13.000 @ 109.37 - BlackBoosted2 - 1998 Coupe, M6, K&N Intake only
13.1xx @ 108.xx - CarsRfun's Dad - bone stock 2004 coupe
13.1xx @ 106.xx - prwest - 2003 A4
13.308 @ 104.61 - JayGood - 2000 A4 vert
13.377 @ 104.87 - Roadsho - 2002 Coupe A4
13.637 @ 102.32 - Novicetoo - 98 Vert A4

C6 Showroom Stock
12.21 @ 115.45 - LS1LT1- 06 A6
12.23 @ 115.58 - 06C6FVR - 06 Z51 M6
12.31 @ 114.82 - CYA Vett - 05 F55 M6
12.42 @ 113.90 - DrRichie - 05 Z51 M6
12.45 @ 114.97 - Atomic Punk - 08 A6
12.46 @ 116.55 - Yankee - 08 A6 F55 NPP, 2.73
12.49 @ 114.90 - Jschindler - 05 Z51 M6
12.53 @ 113.00 - Wicked07C6 - 07 Z51 M6
12.54 @ 113.59 - Tony 63 Vette - 06 A6
12.54 @ 113.74 - Tony96LT4 - 06 Z51 A6
12.54 @ 113.24 - NineBall - 05 Z51 M6 - tstat
12.56 @ 113.39 - Red Sleeper -06 A6
12.56 @ 112.00 - Orange C6 - 05 Z51 A4
12.63 @ 114.88 - Prankster - 06 M6
12.65 @ 111.65 - Zippin Zee - 05 Z51 M6
12.66 @ 113.03 - Mdrrandall - 07 Z51 M6
12.69 @ 112.32 - Silverlx -06 A6
12.70 @ 112.43 - Jelsis - 06 Z51 A6
12.70 @ 113.00 - Blackmajik -07 A6
12.71 @ 111.30 - Flyin05 - 05 Z51 M6
12.71 @ 111.00 - Demented - 05 Z51 A4
12.72 @ 111.98 - SR0707 - 06 A6
12.72 @ 110.85 - AngeloC6 - 05 F55 A4 3.15 (open shroud)
12.74 @ 108.67 - Shooter 49 - 05 A4 3.15
12.75 @ 109.25 - Ponchorello -05 A4 3.15
12.76 @ 112.57 - C5Pilot - 07 Z51 A6
12.78 @ 115.14 - Prankster - 06 M6
12.79 @ 112.17 - Jchazr - 05 Z51 M6
12.80 @ 111.00 - SheDevilC6 - 07 Z51 A6
12.81 @ 112.83 - Vette-oholic - 05 Z51 M6
12.83 @ 109.44 - Tommy D - 05 A4 3.15
12.84 @ 112.98 - Proney - 06 M6
12.85 @ 114.53 - Mr Z51 - 06 Z51 M6
12.90 @ 114.83 - Normlunt - 05 Z51 M6 - tstat
12.93 @ 111.40 - DiggyMoe -07 M6
12.97 @ 108.00 - Ginny C6 - 05 F55 A4
12.98 @ 108.00 - Tampa Vet - 05 A4 3.15
12.99 @ 111.70 - C64ME - 05 Z51 M6
13.04 @ 109.15 - TMyers - 06 A6
13.05 @ 113.31 - RDunn - 06 M6
13.10 @ 108.70 - Rothchilds - 05 F55 A4 3.15
13.12 @ 110.40 - JDWK - 05 Z51 M6
13.25 @ 110.60 - C6 Matt - 05 Z51 M6
13.26 @ 108.59 - Sfadchi - 06 Z51 A6
13.26 @ 105.30 - Joeking - 05 Z51 A4
13.30 @ 107.00 - Shurite44 -06 Z51 A6
13.35 @ 108.10 - Phatpharmd - 06 A6
13.62 @ 106.18 - Rich28 - 05 Z51 A4

The list clearly shows that for the C5, the MT is by far a better stock drag platform vs the AT (stock vs stock only). For the C6, it shows the AT having the fastest (by 2 100th's) over the MT, but when you compare all the entries, the MT holds more of the top slots.
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I am still waiting for you to ask them and post the link here. Instead of your mouthy opinion on here which means zil.

It proves that the majority agree the A4 is faster and for obvious reasons which again you keep denying.

Originally Posted by S8ER95Z
Know what 'DA' means?? I don't think you have a clue.

And yes a bunch of people saying 'I THINK the a4 is faster' doesn't prove anything. WOW.....

Evan Smith is a track GOD... those times were done by a man (evan) at a drag strip and published in a magazine. You can dismiss them because you are naive or you can acknowledge what the car (or cars) have done at the track and consider it proof/fact.

Keep going you might make sense one of these times...



EDIT: You pretty much just made what I am saying 100% concrete...the C5 platform used the 4L60E and the C6 a 4L65E. Better transmission with a different outcome. If you can agree with that I don't think there is much left to say here...
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Originally Posted by SOLO-350Z
Again show me where others agree that the MTs are really faster than the Autos. You won't find that.
I don't think I have much more to say...
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Originally Posted by SOLO-350Z
LOL your list only proves there are more manual drivers taking their cars to the drag strip and actually reporting them. Nothing more. I see a few A4's at the top as well.

Sorry but 8 years of experience with a LS1 and a C4 Vette I know what I have seen and read and also proved that above. Again show me where others agree that the MTs are really faster than the Autos. You won't find that.
Until you can show me an A4 C5 that posts a better time in the 1/4 than 12.6 @111mph, then this list is the best proof that is available. The only A4 in the top 5 is the one with the zip-tie mod and its time is 3 10th's slower than the #1 slot.

You want me to believe your 8 years of experience is greater than a list provided by numerous actual drivers?
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Originally Posted by SOLO-350Z
I am still waiting for you to ask them and post the link here. Instead of your mouthy opinion on here which means zil.

It proves that the majority agree the A4 is faster and for obvious reasons which again you keep denying.
I am supposed to ask a bunch of random people what they THINK is faster? And this proves your point.... *sigh*


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