Tyler got me thinking about this and from another thread I'm thinking about possibly doing the built motor from Forged (S1 shortblock) and finding a Vortech...running through a ProEFI and CJM Stage 1 or whatever RFS w/ a JWT Clutch/Flywheel. This'll be on an '04 Enthusiast and basically I was thinking to give it some low down grunt off the line w/ some DR's I'd throw a 100 shot or so of nitrous at it. I don't wanna go much larger than that to disturb the flow and have to drill directly into my plenum.

So w/ all my rambling that I just said...anyone running nitrous + a vortech at the track? Also what size tires thinking hoosier or MT dr's on 15 or 16" welds would be optimum for this setup.

I'm guessing 450 or so w/ the Vortech (2.87) tuned by SP (more than likely) and having a map setup for my nitrous which should yield a mid 500 to close to 600 depending on bottle pressure and environmental temps.

Anyways...shoot me your experiences/thoughts/concerns. And no saying I should just go turbo....I don't need a 500hp w/ almost 500lbs/ft of tq for the street or more....I'd get myself and trouble and would have problems putting it to the ground anyways.

 

yeah man, my vortech on the street as it is now is a handful sometimes and trouble..honestly in my area i don't need more...but when i go to the track it would be nice to have a little more to it...and a built s1 shortblock would just suit the power goals perfect...it wouldn't be a all out race car on the street but plenty fast and then with some spray on top of it when needed would really come alive...there are dyno's on here somewhere where jeremy tibbs was putting some spray on a vortech and the numbers are ridiculous..ill have to search around seeing how the search function has been messed up..

 

imo a built shortblock for just a vortech with 2.87 and supporting mods isn't a bad idea and not overkill..thats some decent power and stock blocks have failed with much less, so with that ur ready to rock and be safe on the vortech and add some more power..peace man..

 

http://g35driver.com/forums/forced-i...issing-tq.html


..huge torque gains on the spray and this car wasn't even making that much power off the spray like many other cars do with the 2.87...i am making that power of that car with my 3.12..

 

Thanks d00d....I knew you were the one I needed to talk to. This'll probably be the route I go...I wanted to go Powerlab but that'll cost as much as this option and that's just for the kit/clutch/flywheel/install/tune. I can install the vortech myself and have SP tune it but I'll see how much I'll save from installing it myself vs them just installing it if I had them drop the new motor in along w/ clutch n flywheel. I'm capable but don't have to tools or time for a full engine swap + partial assemble of a block.

 

if u were in ny id give a hand..lol..i have been looking into different setups for some time now, and didn't have the money for a built block yet, so chose the vortech for that fact and the fact that i could install myself...Then i came across the gains the nitrous has with the vortech and they are starting to pursuade me.. i really don't need anymore power than i have for daily driving, but it would be nice to have another kick in the pants when needed and like i said a built shortblock woudl be perfect for the setup i will have...good luck man..

 

Well I'm limited by the selling of my Mustang...so once you see my build thread...you'll know I sold my Mustang lol. I shoulda sold that bish last year. My Z isn't a daily but still...being on stance coilovers and on street tires on street pavement...400 is all one can really handle unless you're on the freeway. I mean...all the tires can really handle...and that's a stretch b/c if I get her in the sweet spot in the high RPM's in 3rd I can still manage to get the tires loose Damn camber lol...Rear will definitely be getting raised when I throw the DR's on.


You gonna go full throttle activation or push button?

I'd like to go full throttle but not sure how that works on a drive by wire system.

I don't mind spraying in first if I'm on DR's and that'll build up the lower RPM's quicker so it can get in the Vortech's sweet spot quicker...that combo'd w/ a 2.87 should be a quick setup for pushing maybe 500/500. If I don't do nitrous I'm definitely doing a 3.9fd but I think the nitrous will be more fun.

Also may lighten up the car a bit. Driver mod pending and granted I'll be slamming through the 6 spd...I'm thinking w/ 100 shot and 2.87 one could pull off a flat 7.0 or so w/ about a 1.5-1.6 60ft. Maybe a lil quicker depending on conditions. Traps would depend on tires I guess but maybe 110-115. I'm speaking 1/8th mile that is.

 

[QUOTE=got556;7199467]Well I'm limited by the selling of my Mustang...so once you see my build thread...you'll know I sold my Mustang lol. I shoulda sold that bish last year. My Z isn't a daily but still...being on stance coilovers and on street tires on street pavement...400 is all one can really handle unless you're on the freeway. I mean...all the tires can really handle...and that's a stretch b/c if I get her in the sweet spot in the high RPM's in 3rd I can still manage to get the tires loose Damn camber lol...Rear will definitely be getting raised when I throw the DR's on.


You gonna go full throttle activation or push button?

I'd like to go full throttle but not sure how that works on a drive by wire system.

I don't mind spraying in first if I'm on DR's and that'll build up the lower RPM's quicker so it can get in the Vortech's sweet spot quicker...that combo'd w/ a 2.87 should be a quick setup for pushing maybe 500/500. If I don't do nitrous I'm definitely doing a 3.9fd but I think the nitrous will be more fun.

Also may lighten up the car a bit. Driver mod pending and granted I'll be slamming through the 6 spd...I'm thinking w/ 100 shot and 2.87 one could pull off a flat 7.0 or so w/ about a 1.5-1.6 60ft. Maybe a lil quicker depending on conditions. Traps would depend on tires I guess but maybe 110-115. I'm speaking 1/8th mile that is.[/QUOTE]

 

That was my car, it was fun as hell on the bottle but off the bottle it was little slow.

 

Coack K...why's that funny?

 

im sure it felt a like a huge difference from having the torque to losing it off the bottle.. what dyno was that on...i made basically same power with the 3.12 as u were with the 2.87? just curious..i mean i know different dynos different numbers but i am at 394whp with the 3.12 until i get bigger injectors..also tuned by JT but at AAM and not performance factory which i would beleive that to be from

 

At 110-115 in the 1/8th means you would be running approx 135-140 or maybe a little faster in the 1/4. That means you have a mid 10 sec Z. Not going to happen with 500/500.

 

got556: when i put the bottle on it will be on wot activation, but ill prolly use a window switch to use the gear lock features...

with 2.87 and 100 shot spraying out of the hole with tires that will hook, id guess 1.6's possible but i don't know about any faster than that.. it would def. be a fast car though and have a nice pull, and have two sides to it being off the bottle and on.. not too extreme but plenty of fun

 

coach knows best, take his advice..

i don't really know what to guess on this setup as far as 1/8th...or really even 60ft...guess time will tell...i do see good things to come though

 

that's some nice torque... I was happy with 381tq on a 100 shot... More and more I get to thinking about doing a basic build like that to tide me over until I want serious numbers... interesting thread, I will be subscribing to this

 

No I know coach knows best about draggin the Z's so I was genuinely interested in his opinion. So the trap is too high....more like 107 or so? How bout the 60 ft time? 1.5 to 1.6 should be all that unreasonable correct?

 

oh boy

 

after i think about it i see maybe a 1.5 there with the right tires and all, like i said spraying out of the hole

 

AJ from the old days of Perf Factory was running 500/500 and he was running 11.0-11.3 in the 1/4 @ 130mph.

So you're looking at more like 102mph or close to that in the 1/8 in order to run 7.0et
I was running 7.3 in the 1/8th at 99.xx

1.5-1.6 60' times are attainable with that power/tq so long as you're not scared to launch at 5-6k

No disrespect to you guys, anyone that wants to drag their Z gets a from me.

 

Tyler...JT did my N20 setup and tune and it was spot on. Are you planning on him doing yours?