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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 08:48 AM
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but hey if 500whp is safe on the new VQ35HR then im getting on the waiting list asap.
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 08:49 AM
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but hey if 500whp is safe on the new VQ35HR then im getting on the waiting list asap.
i would wait for a turbo kit to pop up for those dual TB's before i start selling the wife and kids
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 08:53 AM
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I ll pop somthing up for the wife
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by doug
a VQ35DE will eat a 2JZ-GE motor alive.. if you going to compare apples.. compare them with apples
Keep telling yourself that.

We have a few guys on this board with 800whp but the supra forum has at least 100 members with 800+whp. What does that tell you? Seems like their apples are bigger. lol
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 97supratt
Keep telling yourself that.

We have a few guys on this board with 800whp but the supra forum has at least 100 members with 800+whp. What does that tell you? Seems like their apples are bigger. lol
In all fairness though, you guys have had about 6 more years to work out the bugs. People were blowing 2JZs the first few years that they were out.
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 97supratt
Keep telling yourself that.

We have a few guys on this board with 800whp but the supra forum has at least 100 members with 800+whp. What does that tell you? Seems like their apples are bigger. lol
I would say that their R&D time is much longer. With prices and R&D starting to come together with the VQ we will also see numbers like that from alot of members.
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 09:10 AM
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The RB is a far better motor than the 2JZ due to its lightweight. Also, the most expensive part of the swap is the labor....google around and you'll be surprised at just how easy an inline style motor can be installed in 350Z. Now, me personally, i sold the Z for just that reason...i wanted a Supra! I am in the process of buying one from Texas....this is gonna be a great Christmas!!!! Good luck, keep us posted.
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 97supratt
I believe the I6 is smoother yes, but I also believe V type engines create more torque also because of their bore size. Maybe I don't know anything about engines but from what i've seen and experienced, V type engines make more torque.
There are three ways to make more torque in an engine:

1. Increase the force that acts on the piston by cramming more air/fuel in.

2. Increase the bore so there's more surface area for that force to push down on

3. Increase the stroke so the connecting rod has more leverage on the crank



3 > 1 > 2 assuming the motor is n/a. If boosted, it's 1 > 3 > 2.

Boring out a motor is the least efficient way to make more power/torque, by far. The only good thing about a large bore from a mechanical standpoint is that you can fit large valves in.


For example, look at the 300zxtt's vs supratt's, the zx's make more torque and they are 3.0L v6 just like the 3000gt's. I'm not bringing this information out of my *** dude. I understand what you're saying as well, but this is what I believe, thats all.
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Did you ever stop to think that maybe intake manifold design, valve diameter, cam profile, stroke, rod:stroke ratio, and/or turbo specifications (among many other things) has anything to do with that?

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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 97supratt
HaHaHa You think the damn VQ is better than a 2JZ-GTE? Keep dreaming.
Not to start a another 2JZ / VQ war... A good friend of mine has the world NHRA record with a Supra, and a two records with the Z... As per him he does love both, the VQ has better heads stock vs. stock. Very easy to convert to an automatic (Turbo 350 type) as opossed to the Supra... The 2JZ had issues with spun bearings, oil starvation @ High Revs. Over all a lot of little things that most people over look or do not have experience with. While the VQ is not perfect nor is the 2JZ.... However both have the ability to produce crazy power... How fast do you want to go???
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 97supratt
Keep telling yourself that.

We have a few guys on this board with 800whp but the supra forum has at least 100 members with 800+whp. What does that tell you? Seems like their apples are bigger. lol
who has 800 whp on a 2JZ-GE untouched block
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 04:03 PM
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Nissan - Nissan, leave Toyota - Toyota. If you plan on doing a 2J swap might as well just do an RB26.
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 05:56 PM
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+1. Cross-bred engine swaps always leave a bad taste in my mouth...
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Speed_Force_350
Nissan - Nissan, leave Toyota - Toyota. If you plan on doing a 2J swap might as well just do an RB26.
EXACTLY, especially when there are actual swap been done with it such as the "Top Secret" drift car That is 600hp as well as Esprit 750hp RB26 swap into the Z33 chassis. yes 2JZ is an amazing engine to make big power, but same as the RB26's from the Skyline GT-R's.
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Originally Posted by Exta_Z
The RB is a far better motor than the 2JZ due to its lightweight. Also, the most expensive part of the swap is the labor....google around and you'll be surprised at just how easy an inline style motor can be installed in 350Z. Now, me personally, i sold the Z for just that reason...i wanted a Supra! I am in the process of buying one from Texas....this is gonna be a great Christmas!!!! Good luck, keep us posted.
hey if your getting a supra from texas you might want to check out Autobanh. They built some really badass supras and man i will honestly tell you i have never seen a street car so fast. The owner himself made one with 1128 whp with no nitrous. From what i understand you can make them somewhere around 6-700whp without putting more than 10g's in it and you will have that has a daily driver.
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 08:07 PM
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you guys might also want to check out some of the cars Top Secret has done. they put a RB26 in a Z33 and i think they also put a 2JZ in a Z33. But i also remember reading about a supra they did with a RB26 in it. does'nt make much sense why they would do it but they did it anyway.
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Old Oct 25, 2006 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by nareg
you guys might also want to check out some of the cars Top Secret has done. they put a RB26 in a Z33 and i think they also put a 2JZ in a Z33. But i also remember reading about a supra they did with a RB26 in it. does'nt make much sense why they would do it but they did it anyway.
I remember that one. It's most recent appearence was in the Collector's edition Option video "High speed run" Vol.1 And it is supposely built after Top Secret had sold their gold one with 1000hp RB Swapped JZA80 to some rich prince in Dubai. Then in the video. The owner of the Top Secret tuning store said that the "White JZA80" with the RB swap was only "Minor tuned" with 600hp on tap. Since then the wildest thing that ever came out of there was the G35 coupe with VH45DE swap then Twin turboed with 750hp which they did run in Autobahn I believe the top speed was somewhere around 3XXkm/h
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Old Oct 26, 2006 | 09:24 AM
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for all who don't know.. a JZA80 is an MKIV Supra
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Old Oct 26, 2006 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 97supratt
I wish you the best of luck man. What turbo setup are you going to run? Talk to Larry at Sound performance he knows his **** when it comes to supras.
Well the motor is pretty much already built, the donor car was in an accident and my friend bought the motor off him to help him money wise. The turbo on it is a GT71 Turbo. Its got some more goodies and the car produced about 700 whp last time the supra was on the dyno and has about 40k on it.

Im having trouble being able to justify spending this much money, we'll see on Saturday if i can get my money's worth. Or just end up turbo'ing my 60k mileage engine
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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by johnnyblaze
Well the motor is pretty much already built, the donor car was in an accident and my friend bought the motor off him to help him money wise. The turbo on it is a GT71 Turbo. Its got some more goodies and the car produced about 700 whp last time the supra was on the dyno and has about 40k on it.

Im having trouble being able to justify spending this much money, we'll see on Saturday if i can get my money's worth. Or just end up turbo'ing my 60k mileage engine
If labor if free like you said, it'll be worth it and really really cool.
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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by doug
who has 800 whp on a 2JZ-GE untouched block
When I say supra, the thought of the GE shouldn't come into play. When I speak of supras or 2JZ's it can only mean one thing, "2JZ-GTE". tOOOORBO. haha
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