zland, sorry I have not replied earlier to this thread. I have been really tied up lately. But I'm going to SEMA next week and will be able to talk to Greddy, PE, ATi and Vortech. And they will have have stuff for me to check out. Hopefully they can provide me with the answers too. I'll post back as soon I get back.

Thx

Jeff - Evolution

 

Jeff:

Thanks for looking into these issues for me and everyone else. A recent post from "foreced induction (superchargersonline.com) stated that the fmu on the vortec was preset thus I think implying it did not need tuning and just needed to be bolted on. Can you see what the Vortec kit is doing to solve this fuel management situation? I am wondering if is very much like the ATI solution or maybe a different/better solution?

Thanks, enjoy SEMA, looks like a lot of nice toys there this time for Z's.

Jeff - Zland

 

The numbers of Z and G35 out numbers almost all of the Hondas combined.

 

Jeff:

After checking out all the FI kits at SEMA, did you get some answers to many of the questions posted on these threads?

For one, I am really interested to know if Vortec was able to make you feel that had a handle on A/F management and eliminating the lean running condition experienced with other products? I am sure others want to know what your impressions are as well. Please give us the details!!!

Jeff - zland

 

I saw all of the following kits in person. Greddy, Vortech and PE.

I'm very careful with my comments, I don't want to influence someone's decision by my statements. Here are just my thoughts of what I saw and what I liked.

The Greddy kit was surrounded by a lot of people. I saw a few vendors making orders on the spot. Myself included. I asked a lot of questions. I knew I was annoying them, knowing how many people probably have asked the same questions. But the Greddy guys are professional as always. Took their time to take care of me and my questions. I truly believe I will get great support from them. The new Greddy Evo2 looked bad ***. And the intercooler pretty much covered up the whole front bumper. (this kit was on a G35 cpe this year).

The Vortech kit looks really clean, I saw this kit for the first time in person. The intercooler pretty much covered all of the FB. Only bad part was they had a huge booth and only two sales guy on hand. I only got to asked a few questions, and I'll find out more info next week while talking to them. And since they are also posting here on the board. I'm sure we will learn more. I have a lot of confidence in them, due to being a huge dealer for their kit and installed over 10 of their superchargers on s2000.

The PE kit looked really good. And I still think it should of been on Cheston's car. Then in their little display counter. I have lost my interest on this kit due to other reasons. There's nothing wrong with the kit. Just mostly of who I want to deal with.

I didn't bother to check out the ATi's 350z. They are already very well known in here. I don't need to tell you guys nothing you don't know.

as far as other impression goes, I really hope to get them on our customer's car. I will be able to tell more when time goes on. From initial installations to test drives to long term impressions.

thx

Jeff - Evolution
703.961.9090

 

Jeff, Thanks for overview of SC/TT at Sema.

I tried to call this morning (8am pacific time) at your work but no answer. I can call you tomorrow if you pm me with your phone number to reach you or wait until Monday. It is up to you....Jeff

 

Jeff

Phone tag sucks. Try me at the shop today. I'll be here all day. Monday is always the busiest day. But I'll be calling Greddy and Vortech today to fnialize some deals and also asking them more questions. Give me a ring later in the afternoon.

thx

Jeff - Evolution
703.961.9090

 

Cheston ,

We have been following this thread and we have seen your problems with PE USA.

We were dealing with PE / Hideo orginally on the first kit that came over . We even purchased a 350Z specifically for the purpose of installing a TT kit.

When we got the kit , it was not as far developed as we were capable of handling at that time. It was more work than we wanted to get into for what we were getting.

We turned the kit over to Hideo and the kit / aka turbos and exhaust manifolds went to Technosquare.

5 kits were initially produced. RB Motoring got and sold 3 of these kits . We were told one of the others was for Technosquare , the other for the test fit car.

Since PE USA does not seem to your generosity for allowing them to use your car for test fitment , we can offer this .

We will purchase a 350Z kit at cost , and sell it to you at cost. This is only to help make right a wrong.

Without your car , the kit would not be available to sell , and we realize this , even if PE USA does not.

www.rbmotoring.com

sean@rbmotoring.com

 

let me get this straight. how many dyno's, downtime, life taken off car etc.... on chestons car and your going to sell it at cost. PE has lost my sale for sure even if no other turbo kit comes out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

We are not Power Enterprise . We are just a distributor of theirs.

I heard they were offering him a riduculous discount on the kit . Considering its a $8480 kit , and we are not the manufacturer of the kit , we can not absorb a cost like this .

PE Japan /USA might , but we can not.

 

I hope you understand that I am blaming no one except for POWER ENTERPRISE. Sorry if I made it sound differently. I think its great what you guys are trying to do but PE needs to step up to the plate. For me though, PE is a dead company.

 

Hello Sean-
Thank you for your offer. i will think it over and discuss it with TechnoSquare.


--Cheston

 

Actually, Ben ended up paying basically what "Power's USA" charged us for the kit. We, RB Motoring, even sucked up the CA sales tax on it. Along with paying our cost on the kit, we were also able to manage to get the kit installed by a technician from Power's Japan free of charge to Ben. I did all I could on our part to make it as fair as possible for Ben.
I fought long and hard to get this kit free of charge to Ben. Ben himself will vouch for that. I couldn't do anything further to reduce the cost of the kit for Ben. I tried everything....to carefully explaining how much exposure the car will bring Power Enterprises, to how beneficial it will be that the car will be prominently displayed at SEMA. The "free installation" came through only because I had mentioned to Power's that they are not 100% certain that it will fit since it is the "first production" piece for a US spec car. Had that part not been mention, Power's USA may have felt just in charging a "fee" for installation as well.
For those that saw the car at SEMA, it was displayed with a signboard that did not mention Power Enterprise at all. That was done on purpose. However, with "persuation" from Power's USA (also present and exhibiting at the show), a small decal managed to find its way during the show on the engine. Ben thought that would be a sign of "good faith".
Power's USA AND Power's Japan (you have to think of them both as one and the same) are really not into the habit of providing products (anything...) free of charge. They obviously think that they are 100% correct in their marketing logic. To provide you another and more current example, they still don't know if their supercharger setup for the Toyota bB is applicable to the US Scion xB. Way back when the Scion xB became available, we offered to test fit it for them provided they supply the kit free of charge. They basically did the same thing (some know the story) with what happened here with Cheston. Over some time (circa September 2003) a company called Monkey Wrench Racing contacted us telling us that they had contacted Power's Japan in regards to obtaining a bB supercharger kit for the purpose of test fitting and they had directed them to us to get the kit. So we did the purchase order, and to be fair, we then sold it to Monkey Wrench Racing at our cost so that he may test-fit it. Just for more FYI, we obtained the kit at our normal discount - no special deal. Now, according to MWR, it fits, however, Power USA was uncertain for themselves. This actually just happened yesterday. Power's USA wanted to see for themselves with their own eyes if it fit. We happened to have one in stock, and to help them out, we OFFERED to purchase a Scion xB (just like what we did with the 350Z) yesterday and we said we would test fit it for them provided that we be allowed to obtain the kit free of charge. In exchange for the 1) information and confirmation, they will also get 2) a rolling billboard for at least a year (full Power's graphics package) 3) participation in all shows/races/events we do throughtout the year (next year included) 4) print and internet media coverage. Can you already guess what the decision was? Haha....of course we couldn't keep the kit free of charge. We couldn't even get it for a better discount than our normal discount. Once upon a time, "promotional use" products were able to be purchased from Power's Japan for a better price. Somehow, that offer has magically disappeared.
Adam (new employee) with Power's USA was sincere and honestly tried his best to work with us in regards to letting us keep the kit and do the test fitting, however, his superior(s) felt otherwise. So now, the kit leaves our warehouse and goes back to Power's USA so they may "test fit" the kit. Based on past experiences, they probably got someone to buy the kit, and basically are going to do the same deal like what happened with Ben.
Sorta long for my 2 cents, but hey....good for FYI.

 

I have read so much about PE over the months I felt I needed to chime in. I am looking at purchasing FI over this winter and I got to say that because of the **** poor way PE has taken care of the people that have taken care of PE, PE will NEVER have the opportunity to take care of me.

They seem untrustworthy company willing to go to great lengths to use people. If Iwere a dealer of PE I would drop their line of products. There are to many othe competitive products with better costomer care available.

Just my 2 cents

Jeff

 

The more facts I learn about PE, the more I dont like how they deal with people. I can only speak for myself as a consumer and simply put, they will never get my business.

Maybe they have forgotten many Z owners communicate on forums thus we know how companies treat people. A companies reputation can increase sells. In this case, it is hurting sales.

 

I only have three words to say now "Greddy Twin Turbo". I may call Cheston if I don't like the way greddy's ecu works and have mine reprogramed!!! the 18gs will be more effiecent at higher boost, external wastegate and a heck of alot cheaper with great customer support here in the usa. Sounds like a win win situation for me.

 

i have read this thread for like the past hour and a half...and it looked to me that PE went from hero to concentration camp **** shoveler!!! i was looking to get a TT set up...but only after i see how everyone else in the world feels about theirs...then find a way to blow them out of the water... looks like before they can even get them on...PE is being an munchnut!!!! wonder what PE will do once you have one....(" hell we sold it, got your money, what you want from us now"!)

thats what it sounds like i am hearing....this is a like 5 month thread....sounds like PE was given an honest chance...and let everyone down... so thanks everyone for keeping me from making a big mistake...cuz knowing myself..if they acted like that with me....i'd have to break out the pump!!!

my old rebok pump...air up my shoes and kick some aZZ!

 

The sad part about this is Cheston seems to be such a nice guy. He never said anything bad about them so it never got into a mud slinging type thing. Cheston just keeps his hopes high and PE is making themselves look like a company with no customer service. Honestly, I cant believe PE is doing this to him and others.

 

yea ....itrs shitty to me....who else does this kind of crap to its customers or prospective customers?
"dont wanna pay too much"....progressive ins commercial quote!!

 

I was looking into the PE kit at one point, but have made up my mind and will go with another company's TT kit. (Be it Greddy, or custom) just not PE. The way PE presents themselves by how they treat Cheston is not a good sign of a company trying grow in our market. As per zland, Cheston is really a nice guy and have kept his composure reserved.