Hmm amsoil~~~ am i over doing it?
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Hmm amsoil~~~ am i over doing it?
iv been using amsoil ever since i purchased my car.
5qts of amsoil 5w30 and amsoil filter bring me to about $45
my car has just regualr bolt on's.. no FI.
am i over doing it? should i just use mobile 1 with the oem filter?
i would save about $15 per oil change. lol
5qts of amsoil 5w30 and amsoil filter bring me to about $45
my car has just regualr bolt on's.. no FI.
am i over doing it? should i just use mobile 1 with the oem filter?
i would save about $15 per oil change. lol
Stay with in your means of what you can afford.. I for one have always used Amsoil oil with either the Amsoil oil filter or the K&N one. I've done the mobile route, I've done the Royal Purple route, but I always keep going back to the Amsoil and never changed back ever since.
Stay with in your means of what you can afford.. I for one have always used Amsoil oil with either the Amsoil oil filter or the K&N one. I've done the mobile route, I've done the Royal Purple route, but I always keep going back to the Amsoil and never changed back ever since.
+1
I was Amsoil (I bought into the "hype") before i went FI. Then i went back to M1 because i change every 3,000 mi now. And @ $22 for a 5 quart jug at wal-mart, ya can't beat it!
This thread is either gonna get closed, or grow huge. So i'm gonna throw my 2 cents in.....
Mobil 1 5W-30 and standard purolator oil filter. Never had an issue. $26 total for everything! But the reality is, any oil will do just fine, as long as your change intervals reflect the severity of use. (I.E. change more ofter if you run it hard, less if not)
Last edited by halfass872; Nov 16, 2009 at 07:55 AM.
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I have always used Amsoil... My family has been selling and using it since the Mid 70's. I standby their product! 
I use it in my boats, jet skis, lawn mower, cars, truck and snowmobiles. Just buy a Drum! lol
I use it in my boats, jet skis, lawn mower, cars, truck and snowmobiles. Just buy a Drum!
lol
High pressure sales is the main part of why i don't use Amsoil anymore.
To the OP, don't Don't EVER let a local Amsoil seller come to your house with your product, you can't get them to leave without hearing about everything else they sell, and having a membership crammed down your throat. Not to mention they will call you every week to "see if you need anything". Saving a few bucks by buying fron a private salesman is NOT worth it to have to deal with being treated like you owe then something so that they can make more commision!!Buy from a local distributoer if there's one availiable.
They may not all be like that. But i tried two different salesmen to give the benefit of the doubt, because i really liked their product. And had the same outcome both times. Now all i use is their dry flow air filters. But now i use a fake phone number and order online so i don't get harrased.
There's a reason Amway and Amsoil soud similar. LOL
End rant. LOL Sorry to threadjack.
Last edited by halfass872; Nov 16, 2009 at 09:46 AM.
Depends on WHICH amsoil you are using and WHEN you are changing it. If you are NA and changing it before 5,000, yes you are overdoing it. But Amsoil products are probably the best out there.
Just rember. Almost all Amsoil products aren't API certified.
Go to the official API site, and search Amsoil and see what you come up with for API certified motor oil. You'll understand why this is the other reason i switched back to Mobil 1. IMO There must be something lacking if an oil can't get an API certification.
http://www.api.org/
Go to the official API site, and search Amsoil and see what you come up with for API certified motor oil. You'll understand why this is the other reason i switched back to Mobil 1. IMO There must be something lacking if an oil can't get an API certification.
http://www.api.org/
Last edited by halfass872; Nov 16, 2009 at 10:14 AM.
http://www.syntheticwarehouse.com/api_licensing.htm
Addressing AMSOIL & API Licensing
API Lacks Necessary Performance Catagories - Overview
(PDF version for emailing and printing)
There are motor oil consumers who have a fear of using non-API certified motor oils, i.e. motor oils that do not have the API donut certification. The only way to address this fear is to understand the background and facts as they relate to the API licensing, or certification, of motor oils.
Not only do we define the role of the API, we provide insight on actual licensing practices that do not create a level playing field as it relates to the use of synthetic versus petroleum motor oils. We also address the matter of warranty so that the
AMSOIL customer can rest assured that they will not void their vehicles warranty by using AMSOIL motor oils – be they API certified or not. In short, we are prepared to respond to the following questions:
1. What is API Licensing?
2. What is the API?
3. Why are some AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils licensed and some are not?
4. If I don’t use an API Licensed motor oil, doesn’t that void my manufacturer’s warranty?
5. How do I know that AMSOIL products meet or exceed the minimum specifications of the tests required for API Licensing?
What is API Licensing?
An API (American Petroleum Institute) license indicates that a specific motor oil formulation has passed the minimum performance standards as defined by a series of laboratory bench tests that include; physical, chemical and engine tests. These tests were selected, and minimum performance standards were set by, the API Lubricants Committee to address specific areas such as engine wear, deposits, fuel economy, emissions, etc. The committee is comprised of representatives from automobile, oil and additive companies.
What is the API?
API stands for the American Petroleum Institute. They are one of the primary trade associations of our industry. API represents more than 400 members involved in all aspects of the oil and natural gas industry. The association draws on the experience and expertise of its members and staff to support a strong and viable oil and natural gas industry. API also provides the opportunity for standards development, technical cooperation and other activities to improve the industry’s competitiveness through sponsorship of self-supporting programs.
Why are some AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils API licensed and some are not?
There are two primary reasons:
1. There are strict phosphorus additive level restrictions placed on API certified oils that would
minimize the full performance and extended oil drain capability of AMSOIL motor oils.
2. The API does NOT allow read-across approvals for synthetic motor oils, and therefore
certification costs become unrealistic.
Phosphorus Restrictions
Full API licensing, or certification, would impose strict phosphorous limitations on AMSOIL motor oils. This limitation is the main reason most AMSOIL motor oils are not API licensed. AMSOIL INC. currently disagrees with this limitation and feels strongly that the reduced wear and longer oil and additive life achieved through higher levels of properly formulated and balanced phosphorous content is more important than the arbitrary API phosphorous limit that does not give any consideration to the NOACK volatility level of an oil. When chemistry is developed that will provide superior engine wear protection with reduced phosphorous levels, or NOACK volatility considerations are put in place, then the phosphorous level will become a non-issue.
Keep in mind that every time a person changes their motor oil, they are introducing a fresh quantity of phosphorus from the new oil to the engine’s catalytic converter. By the very nature of providing extended oil drains, in a typical application AMSOIL motor oils actually introduce a smaller volume of phosphorus to the catalytic converter over the life of the vehicle, which means it is more friendly to the catalytic converter and is actually a more environmentally friendly product to use.
Read-Across Approvals
In the lubricants industry petroleum motor oils that are API licensed have “ read-across approval .” What this means is you can seek API licensing approval on a specific product, with a particular additive package, and then use read-across approval to market this same oil formulation in any number of oil viscosities. For example, if you license a 5W-30 with additive package ABC, then you can market your 10w-30 or 10W-40 engine oils with the API certification donut provided these other viscosities use additive package ABC. The API does NOT allow read-across approval on synthetic engine oils, which means that every single oil viscosity must be individually/separately, certified to carry the API certified donut mark of the API.
API Licensing, via read across approval, works for petroleum products, but the licensing process has a “stranglehold” on synthetic technology. This puts AMSOIL INC. in a tough situation. If we followed conventional practice, not only would we find it necessary to buy “ off the shelf ” oil formula components from specific vendors - and be at the mercy of their pricing - we would not be able to make any major improvements to the lubricant formulas for 2 to 3 years, without new testing and, not surprisingly, even higher associated costs.
The cost for running a test program for a single passenger car motor oil formulation is from $125,000 to $300,000, depending on if the formula passes the tests the first time through, or if it requires multiple test runs or formula modifications to achieve a passing average.
Note: That amount goes to $275,000 to $500,000 for a Heavy Duty Diesel licensing program on a specific formula.
Once that testing is complete and the formula has passed all of the minimum requirements, it can be licensed for $825 per year for non-members and $625 per year for members. There is also a small royalty fee per gallon sold for all gallons over one million. The length of time between new specifications is now approximately 2 to 3 years, which does not allow a great deal of time to recover testing costs.
To solve this problem, the API should establish base stock interchange guidelines for synthetic basestocks - just as they have for other basestocks - as well as develop interchange guidelines for other components so that manufacturer’s and marketers of synthetic engine oils have an even playing field as it relates to API certification costs.
Summary
API licensing of lubricants is a voluntary process. In a perfect world it should ensure that automobile manufacturers and consumers meet a set of “minimum standards.” What this means is that if a consumer wants a product that just meets minimum specifications, then they should purchase API Licensed products and get exactly what they paid for…minimum performance! In the future, should these standards be raised to a level consistent with AMSOIL's standards for motor oil performance, AMSOIL will consider licensing all oils. For those that feel pressured to use an API licensed product, AMSOIL offers them. It should be noted that AMSOIL API Licensed motor oils are chemically engineered to outperform all other petroleum, semi-synthetic, and synthetic licensed API motor oils. As such, if it is peace of mind you seek, we encourage you to use them:
�� XL 5W-20 Synthetic Motor Oil
�� XL5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil
�� XL10W-300 Synthetic Motor Oil
�� Dual-Base 15W-40 Heavy-Duty Diesel/Gasoline Oil
AMSOIL does offer superior performing motor oils that are not API licensed for all of the reasons explained in this document. They provide our customers with alternatives to the commodity products typically available in the market today. If you want the convenience of extended drain intervals and top performance from your vehicle, AMSOIL has engineered the very best motor oils that money can buy.
API Lacks Necessary Performance Catagories - Overview
(PDF version for emailing and printing)
There are motor oil consumers who have a fear of using non-API certified motor oils, i.e. motor oils that do not have the API donut certification. The only way to address this fear is to understand the background and facts as they relate to the API licensing, or certification, of motor oils.
Not only do we define the role of the API, we provide insight on actual licensing practices that do not create a level playing field as it relates to the use of synthetic versus petroleum motor oils. We also address the matter of warranty so that the
AMSOIL customer can rest assured that they will not void their vehicles warranty by using AMSOIL motor oils – be they API certified or not. In short, we are prepared to respond to the following questions:
1. What is API Licensing?
2. What is the API?
3. Why are some AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils licensed and some are not?
4. If I don’t use an API Licensed motor oil, doesn’t that void my manufacturer’s warranty?
5. How do I know that AMSOIL products meet or exceed the minimum specifications of the tests required for API Licensing?
What is API Licensing?
An API (American Petroleum Institute) license indicates that a specific motor oil formulation has passed the minimum performance standards as defined by a series of laboratory bench tests that include; physical, chemical and engine tests. These tests were selected, and minimum performance standards were set by, the API Lubricants Committee to address specific areas such as engine wear, deposits, fuel economy, emissions, etc. The committee is comprised of representatives from automobile, oil and additive companies.
What is the API?
API stands for the American Petroleum Institute. They are one of the primary trade associations of our industry. API represents more than 400 members involved in all aspects of the oil and natural gas industry. The association draws on the experience and expertise of its members and staff to support a strong and viable oil and natural gas industry. API also provides the opportunity for standards development, technical cooperation and other activities to improve the industry’s competitiveness through sponsorship of self-supporting programs.
Why are some AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils API licensed and some are not?
There are two primary reasons:
1. There are strict phosphorus additive level restrictions placed on API certified oils that would
minimize the full performance and extended oil drain capability of AMSOIL motor oils.
2. The API does NOT allow read-across approvals for synthetic motor oils, and therefore
certification costs become unrealistic.
Phosphorus Restrictions
Full API licensing, or certification, would impose strict phosphorous limitations on AMSOIL motor oils. This limitation is the main reason most AMSOIL motor oils are not API licensed. AMSOIL INC. currently disagrees with this limitation and feels strongly that the reduced wear and longer oil and additive life achieved through higher levels of properly formulated and balanced phosphorous content is more important than the arbitrary API phosphorous limit that does not give any consideration to the NOACK volatility level of an oil. When chemistry is developed that will provide superior engine wear protection with reduced phosphorous levels, or NOACK volatility considerations are put in place, then the phosphorous level will become a non-issue.
Keep in mind that every time a person changes their motor oil, they are introducing a fresh quantity of phosphorus from the new oil to the engine’s catalytic converter. By the very nature of providing extended oil drains, in a typical application AMSOIL motor oils actually introduce a smaller volume of phosphorus to the catalytic converter over the life of the vehicle, which means it is more friendly to the catalytic converter and is actually a more environmentally friendly product to use.
Read-Across Approvals
In the lubricants industry petroleum motor oils that are API licensed have “ read-across approval .” What this means is you can seek API licensing approval on a specific product, with a particular additive package, and then use read-across approval to market this same oil formulation in any number of oil viscosities. For example, if you license a 5W-30 with additive package ABC, then you can market your 10w-30 or 10W-40 engine oils with the API certification donut provided these other viscosities use additive package ABC. The API does NOT allow read-across approval on synthetic engine oils, which means that every single oil viscosity must be individually/separately, certified to carry the API certified donut mark of the API.
API Licensing, via read across approval, works for petroleum products, but the licensing process has a “stranglehold” on synthetic technology. This puts AMSOIL INC. in a tough situation. If we followed conventional practice, not only would we find it necessary to buy “ off the shelf ” oil formula components from specific vendors - and be at the mercy of their pricing - we would not be able to make any major improvements to the lubricant formulas for 2 to 3 years, without new testing and, not surprisingly, even higher associated costs.
The cost for running a test program for a single passenger car motor oil formulation is from $125,000 to $300,000, depending on if the formula passes the tests the first time through, or if it requires multiple test runs or formula modifications to achieve a passing average.
Note: That amount goes to $275,000 to $500,000 for a Heavy Duty Diesel licensing program on a specific formula.
Once that testing is complete and the formula has passed all of the minimum requirements, it can be licensed for $825 per year for non-members and $625 per year for members. There is also a small royalty fee per gallon sold for all gallons over one million. The length of time between new specifications is now approximately 2 to 3 years, which does not allow a great deal of time to recover testing costs.
To solve this problem, the API should establish base stock interchange guidelines for synthetic basestocks - just as they have for other basestocks - as well as develop interchange guidelines for other components so that manufacturer’s and marketers of synthetic engine oils have an even playing field as it relates to API certification costs.
Summary
API licensing of lubricants is a voluntary process. In a perfect world it should ensure that automobile manufacturers and consumers meet a set of “minimum standards.” What this means is that if a consumer wants a product that just meets minimum specifications, then they should purchase API Licensed products and get exactly what they paid for…minimum performance! In the future, should these standards be raised to a level consistent with AMSOIL's standards for motor oil performance, AMSOIL will consider licensing all oils. For those that feel pressured to use an API licensed product, AMSOIL offers them. It should be noted that AMSOIL API Licensed motor oils are chemically engineered to outperform all other petroleum, semi-synthetic, and synthetic licensed API motor oils. As such, if it is peace of mind you seek, we encourage you to use them:
�� XL 5W-20 Synthetic Motor Oil
�� XL5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil
�� XL10W-300 Synthetic Motor Oil
�� Dual-Base 15W-40 Heavy-Duty Diesel/Gasoline Oil
AMSOIL does offer superior performing motor oils that are not API licensed for all of the reasons explained in this document. They provide our customers with alternatives to the commodity products typically available in the market today. If you want the convenience of extended drain intervals and top performance from your vehicle, AMSOIL has engineered the very best motor oils that money can buy.
http://www.syntheticwarehouse.com/api_licensing.htm
Addressing AMSOIL & API Licensing
API Lacks Necessary Performance Catagories - Overview
(PDF version for emailing and printing)
There are motor oil consumers who have a fear of using non-API certified motor oils, i.e. motor oils that do not have the API donut certification. The only way to address this fear is to understand the background and facts as they relate to the API licensing, or certification, of motor oils.
Not only do we define the role of the API, we provide insight on actual licensing practices that do not create a level playing field as it relates to the use of synthetic versus petroleum motor oils. We also address the matter of warranty so that the
AMSOIL customer can rest assured that they will not void their vehicles warranty by using AMSOIL motor oils – be they API certified or not. In short, we are prepared to respond to the following questions:
1. What is API Licensing?
2. What is the API?
3. Why are some AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils licensed and some are not?
4. If I don’t use an API Licensed motor oil, doesn’t that void my manufacturer’s warranty?
5. How do I know that AMSOIL products meet or exceed the minimum specifications of the tests required for API Licensing?
What is API Licensing?
An API (American Petroleum Institute) license indicates that a specific motor oil formulation has passed the minimum performance standards as defined by a series of laboratory bench tests that include; physical, chemical and engine tests. These tests were selected, and minimum performance standards were set by, the API Lubricants Committee to address specific areas such as engine wear, deposits, fuel economy, emissions, etc. The committee is comprised of representatives from automobile, oil and additive companies.
What is the API?
API stands for the American Petroleum Institute. They are one of the primary trade associations of our industry. API represents more than 400 members involved in all aspects of the oil and natural gas industry. The association draws on the experience and expertise of its members and staff to support a strong and viable oil and natural gas industry. API also provides the opportunity for standards development, technical cooperation and other activities to improve the industry’s competitiveness through sponsorship of self-supporting programs.
Why are some AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils API licensed and some are not?
There are two primary reasons:
1. There are strict phosphorus additive level restrictions placed on API certified oils that would
minimize the full performance and extended oil drain capability of AMSOIL motor oils.
2. The API does NOT allow read-across approvals for synthetic motor oils, and therefore
certification costs become unrealistic.
Phosphorus Restrictions
Full API licensing, or certification, would impose strict phosphorous limitations on AMSOIL motor oils. This limitation is the main reason most AMSOIL motor oils are not API licensed. AMSOIL INC. currently disagrees with this limitation and feels strongly that the reduced wear and longer oil and additive life achieved through higher levels of properly formulated and balanced phosphorous content is more important than the arbitrary API phosphorous limit that does not give any consideration to the NOACK volatility level of an oil. When chemistry is developed that will provide superior engine wear protection with reduced phosphorous levels, or NOACK volatility considerations are put in place, then the phosphorous level will become a non-issue.
Keep in mind that every time a person changes their motor oil, they are introducing a fresh quantity of phosphorus from the new oil to the engine’s catalytic converter. By the very nature of providing extended oil drains, in a typical application AMSOIL motor oils actually introduce a smaller volume of phosphorus to the catalytic converter over the life of the vehicle, which means it is more friendly to the catalytic converter and is actually a more environmentally friendly product to use.
Read-Across Approvals
In the lubricants industry petroleum motor oils that are API licensed have “ read-across approval .” What this means is you can seek API licensing approval on a specific product, with a particular additive package, and then use read-across approval to market this same oil formulation in any number of oil viscosities. For example, if you license a 5W-30 with additive package ABC, then you can market your 10w-30 or 10W-40 engine oils with the API certification donut provided these other viscosities use additive package ABC. The API does NOT allow read-across approval on synthetic engine oils, which means that every single oil viscosity must be individually/separately, certified to carry the API certified donut mark of the API.
API Licensing, via read across approval, works for petroleum products, but the licensing process has a “stranglehold” on synthetic technology. This puts AMSOIL INC. in a tough situation. If we followed conventional practice, not only would we find it necessary to buy “ off the shelf ” oil formula components from specific vendors - and be at the mercy of their pricing - we would not be able to make any major improvements to the lubricant formulas for 2 to 3 years, without new testing and, not surprisingly, even higher associated costs.
The cost for running a test program for a single passenger car motor oil formulation is from $125,000 to $300,000, depending on if the formula passes the tests the first time through, or if it requires multiple test runs or formula modifications to achieve a passing average.
Note: That amount goes to $275,000 to $500,000 for a Heavy Duty Diesel licensing program on a specific formula.
Once that testing is complete and the formula has passed all of the minimum requirements, it can be licensed for $825 per year for non-members and $625 per year for members. There is also a small royalty fee per gallon sold for all gallons over one million. The length of time between new specifications is now approximately 2 to 3 years, which does not allow a great deal of time to recover testing costs.
To solve this problem, the API should establish base stock interchange guidelines for synthetic basestocks - just as they have for other basestocks - as well as develop interchange guidelines for other components so that manufacturer’s and marketers of synthetic engine oils have an even playing field as it relates to API certification costs.
Summary
API licensing of lubricants is a voluntary process. In a perfect world it should ensure that automobile manufacturers and consumers meet a set of “minimum standards.” What this means is that if a consumer wants a product that just meets minimum specifications, then they should purchase API Licensed products and get exactly what they paid for…minimum performance! In the future, should these standards be raised to a level consistent with AMSOIL's standards for motor oil performance, AMSOIL will consider licensing all oils. For those that feel pressured to use an API licensed product, AMSOIL offers them. It should be noted that AMSOIL API Licensed motor oils are chemically engineered to outperform all other petroleum, semi-synthetic, and synthetic licensed API motor oils. As such, if it is peace of mind you seek, we encourage you to use them:
�� XL 5W-20 Synthetic Motor Oil
�� XL5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil
�� XL10W-300 Synthetic Motor Oil
�� Dual-Base 15W-40 Heavy-Duty Diesel/Gasoline Oil
AMSOIL does offer superior performing motor oils that are not API licensed for all of the reasons explained in this document. They provide our customers with alternatives to the commodity products typically available in the market today. If you want the convenience of extended drain intervals and top performance from your vehicle, AMSOIL has engineered the very best motor oils that money can buy.
API Lacks Necessary Performance Catagories - Overview
(PDF version for emailing and printing)
There are motor oil consumers who have a fear of using non-API certified motor oils, i.e. motor oils that do not have the API donut certification. The only way to address this fear is to understand the background and facts as they relate to the API licensing, or certification, of motor oils.
Not only do we define the role of the API, we provide insight on actual licensing practices that do not create a level playing field as it relates to the use of synthetic versus petroleum motor oils. We also address the matter of warranty so that the
AMSOIL customer can rest assured that they will not void their vehicles warranty by using AMSOIL motor oils – be they API certified or not. In short, we are prepared to respond to the following questions:
1. What is API Licensing?
2. What is the API?
3. Why are some AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils licensed and some are not?
4. If I don’t use an API Licensed motor oil, doesn’t that void my manufacturer’s warranty?
5. How do I know that AMSOIL products meet or exceed the minimum specifications of the tests required for API Licensing?
What is API Licensing?
An API (American Petroleum Institute) license indicates that a specific motor oil formulation has passed the minimum performance standards as defined by a series of laboratory bench tests that include; physical, chemical and engine tests. These tests were selected, and minimum performance standards were set by, the API Lubricants Committee to address specific areas such as engine wear, deposits, fuel economy, emissions, etc. The committee is comprised of representatives from automobile, oil and additive companies.
What is the API?
API stands for the American Petroleum Institute. They are one of the primary trade associations of our industry. API represents more than 400 members involved in all aspects of the oil and natural gas industry. The association draws on the experience and expertise of its members and staff to support a strong and viable oil and natural gas industry. API also provides the opportunity for standards development, technical cooperation and other activities to improve the industry’s competitiveness through sponsorship of self-supporting programs.
Why are some AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils API licensed and some are not?
There are two primary reasons:
1. There are strict phosphorus additive level restrictions placed on API certified oils that would
minimize the full performance and extended oil drain capability of AMSOIL motor oils.
2. The API does NOT allow read-across approvals for synthetic motor oils, and therefore
certification costs become unrealistic.
Phosphorus Restrictions
Full API licensing, or certification, would impose strict phosphorous limitations on AMSOIL motor oils. This limitation is the main reason most AMSOIL motor oils are not API licensed. AMSOIL INC. currently disagrees with this limitation and feels strongly that the reduced wear and longer oil and additive life achieved through higher levels of properly formulated and balanced phosphorous content is more important than the arbitrary API phosphorous limit that does not give any consideration to the NOACK volatility level of an oil. When chemistry is developed that will provide superior engine wear protection with reduced phosphorous levels, or NOACK volatility considerations are put in place, then the phosphorous level will become a non-issue.
Keep in mind that every time a person changes their motor oil, they are introducing a fresh quantity of phosphorus from the new oil to the engine’s catalytic converter. By the very nature of providing extended oil drains, in a typical application AMSOIL motor oils actually introduce a smaller volume of phosphorus to the catalytic converter over the life of the vehicle, which means it is more friendly to the catalytic converter and is actually a more environmentally friendly product to use.
Read-Across Approvals
In the lubricants industry petroleum motor oils that are API licensed have “ read-across approval .” What this means is you can seek API licensing approval on a specific product, with a particular additive package, and then use read-across approval to market this same oil formulation in any number of oil viscosities. For example, if you license a 5W-30 with additive package ABC, then you can market your 10w-30 or 10W-40 engine oils with the API certification donut provided these other viscosities use additive package ABC. The API does NOT allow read-across approval on synthetic engine oils, which means that every single oil viscosity must be individually/separately, certified to carry the API certified donut mark of the API.
API Licensing, via read across approval, works for petroleum products, but the licensing process has a “stranglehold” on synthetic technology. This puts AMSOIL INC. in a tough situation. If we followed conventional practice, not only would we find it necessary to buy “ off the shelf ” oil formula components from specific vendors - and be at the mercy of their pricing - we would not be able to make any major improvements to the lubricant formulas for 2 to 3 years, without new testing and, not surprisingly, even higher associated costs.
The cost for running a test program for a single passenger car motor oil formulation is from $125,000 to $300,000, depending on if the formula passes the tests the first time through, or if it requires multiple test runs or formula modifications to achieve a passing average.
Note: That amount goes to $275,000 to $500,000 for a Heavy Duty Diesel licensing program on a specific formula.
Once that testing is complete and the formula has passed all of the minimum requirements, it can be licensed for $825 per year for non-members and $625 per year for members. There is also a small royalty fee per gallon sold for all gallons over one million. The length of time between new specifications is now approximately 2 to 3 years, which does not allow a great deal of time to recover testing costs.
To solve this problem, the API should establish base stock interchange guidelines for synthetic basestocks - just as they have for other basestocks - as well as develop interchange guidelines for other components so that manufacturer’s and marketers of synthetic engine oils have an even playing field as it relates to API certification costs.
Summary
API licensing of lubricants is a voluntary process. In a perfect world it should ensure that automobile manufacturers and consumers meet a set of “minimum standards.” What this means is that if a consumer wants a product that just meets minimum specifications, then they should purchase API Licensed products and get exactly what they paid for…minimum performance! In the future, should these standards be raised to a level consistent with AMSOIL's standards for motor oil performance, AMSOIL will consider licensing all oils. For those that feel pressured to use an API licensed product, AMSOIL offers them. It should be noted that AMSOIL API Licensed motor oils are chemically engineered to outperform all other petroleum, semi-synthetic, and synthetic licensed API motor oils. As such, if it is peace of mind you seek, we encourage you to use them:
�� XL 5W-20 Synthetic Motor Oil
�� XL5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil
�� XL10W-300 Synthetic Motor Oil
�� Dual-Base 15W-40 Heavy-Duty Diesel/Gasoline Oil
AMSOIL does offer superior performing motor oils that are not API licensed for all of the reasons explained in this document. They provide our customers with alternatives to the commodity products typically available in the market today. If you want the convenience of extended drain intervals and top performance from your vehicle, AMSOIL has engineered the very best motor oils that money can buy.
....
WARRANTY CONCERNS
If I don’t use an API Licensed Motor Oil, doesn’t that void my manufacturer’s warranty?
Fortunately, the law does not allow manufacturers to "void your warranty" simply because of the brand of oil you use, the specifications it meets or the miles you drive between oil changes. To be specific, they cannot deny fixing your broken radio, faulty valve or cracked piston because you used an AMSOIL non-API licensed motor oil, or because you've gone more than 3000 miles since your last oil change. Denial of warranty coverage must be specifically due to an oil related failure. All courts of law will rule against any manufacturer or dealership that tries these warranty shenanigans.
If any automobile dealership insinuates that your warranty will be void if you use AMSOIL products or utilize extended drain intervals, let AMSOIL INC. know the name of the Dealership, the address, the owner's name and the name of the employee that made this statement. Mail to:
AMSOIL INC.
Attention: Technical Services Department
AMSOIL Building
Superior, WI 54880
or e-mail to tech@amsoil.com .
They will almost never put it in writing, but if they do, please send us a copy of that, too. Either way, we will send them a letter informing them they must cease the intimidation of our customers.
Only if the oil is determined to be the direct cause of the engine problem can a manufacturer or dealership deny warranty coverage for that specific problem. In this situation the AMSOIL warranty would apply, and the AMSOIL Technical Services Department would assist you in processing your claim and in getting the vehicle repaired. That's our pledge to you!
AMSOIL INC. sells millions of gallons of oil per year and warranty claims are a rare occurrence. If you ever have a warranty problem with an automobile manufacturer or dealership, AMSOIL will assist you by analyzing the problem and providing data supporting the fact that repairs should be made under the vehicle manufacturer's warranty. If this does not resolve the problem, AMSOIL will submit a claim with our insurance company and request that an adjuster have the vehicle repaired and pursue legal settlement later if necessary. The fact is there has never been an engine failure attributed to the non-performance of AMSOIL products, and we do not expect there ever will be. If there ever was, both AMSOIL and our insurance company would make certain your problem was resolved.
How do I know that AMSOIL products meet or exceed the minimum specifications of the tests required for API Licensing?
First, AMSOIL INC. works closely with major additive companies to design the top performing passenger car and heavy-duty diesel motor oil additives. These additives have already passed all of the API licensing requirements in a petroleum or synthetic based formulation. AMSOIL’s experienced R&D Chemists work with the additive company to maximize the amount of additive used and to boost the additive package inselected performance areas to achieve an optimum performing additive package for reduced wear and extended drain intervals. This is unlike the vast majority of companies who, because additives are expensive, use the minimum amount of the least expensive additives required to meet the minimum APIrequirements.
AMSOIL utilizes a blend of carefully selected synthetic basestocks with known performance characteristics as a replacement for the petroleum basestocks to optimize performance in areas of lubricity, volatility, viscosity index, oxidation and nitration resistance, pour points, flash points, deposit control, soot handling, emissions, etc. We also utilize a highly shear stable VI improver to ensure viscosity retention throughout extended drain intervals. This replaces the inexpensive and less shear stable VI improver used in the API licensed petroleum formulas. AMSOIL does laboratory bench tests before running field tests to verify the superiority of the synthetic formula in actual use. We also continue to monitor the performance of the oil through close scrutiny of tens of thousands of oil analysis tests per year across a wide variety of vehicles, all around North America and the World. AMSOIL INC. has been collecting used synthetic oil samples from passenger cars since 1982. No other oil company has such a vast database documenting the performance of synthetic lubricants over extended drain intervals.
AMSOIL products and formulations outperform API licensed oils. They're engineered that way! Period!
NEW - Motorcycle Oil whitepaper study. Tests performed by Southwest Research show 15 top rated 40W and 50W motorcycle oils head to head in 12 critical tests including Viscosity Sheer Stability, Foam Control, Gear Performance, Price and High Temperature/High Sheer Viscosity. Sever top brands fail out of grade even before the end of a typical testing cycle.
They certainly didn't think anyone would spend the $200,000 it takes to run these tests so you could see where they rank in quality. AMSOIL says "You can clearly see we are not the best in every test but when you consider our performance across the board conclusively and where it counts, we offer the consumer unmatched quality."
Download the Motorcycle Oil Study - (1MB PDF File)
In my Motorcycle; How can a 20W50 protect my transmission when it calls for a 90WT, 85W90 or 75W90?
The answer is simple. The viscosity for engine oils and gear oils are not part of the same scale. In fact a SAE 90 gear oil may actually have less viscosity than a SAE50 (20W50). The illustration clearly explains why. Now you know something most mechanics don't know.
Note on the above chart - We will soon be publishing a whitepaper study showing that most 90 WT gear oils use the cheapest base stocks thus at the bottom of the scale before early shear. This means they dip into the 40WT (engine oil) relm long before they are replaced, thus the inefficient operation.
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If I don’t use an API Licensed Motor Oil, doesn’t that void my manufacturer’s warranty?
Fortunately, the law does not allow manufacturers to "void your warranty" simply because of the brand of oil you use, the specifications it meets or the miles you drive between oil changes. To be specific, they cannot deny fixing your broken radio, faulty valve or cracked piston because you used an AMSOIL non-API licensed motor oil, or because you've gone more than 3000 miles since your last oil change. Denial of warranty coverage must be specifically due to an oil related failure. All courts of law will rule against any manufacturer or dealership that tries these warranty shenanigans.
If any automobile dealership insinuates that your warranty will be void if you use AMSOIL products or utilize extended drain intervals, let AMSOIL INC. know the name of the Dealership, the address, the owner's name and the name of the employee that made this statement. Mail to:
AMSOIL INC.
Attention: Technical Services Department
AMSOIL Building
Superior, WI 54880
or e-mail to tech@amsoil.com .
They will almost never put it in writing, but if they do, please send us a copy of that, too. Either way, we will send them a letter informing them they must cease the intimidation of our customers.
Only if the oil is determined to be the direct cause of the engine problem can a manufacturer or dealership deny warranty coverage for that specific problem. In this situation the AMSOIL warranty would apply, and the AMSOIL Technical Services Department would assist you in processing your claim and in getting the vehicle repaired. That's our pledge to you!
AMSOIL INC. sells millions of gallons of oil per year and warranty claims are a rare occurrence. If you ever have a warranty problem with an automobile manufacturer or dealership, AMSOIL will assist you by analyzing the problem and providing data supporting the fact that repairs should be made under the vehicle manufacturer's warranty. If this does not resolve the problem, AMSOIL will submit a claim with our insurance company and request that an adjuster have the vehicle repaired and pursue legal settlement later if necessary. The fact is there has never been an engine failure attributed to the non-performance of AMSOIL products, and we do not expect there ever will be. If there ever was, both AMSOIL and our insurance company would make certain your problem was resolved.
How do I know that AMSOIL products meet or exceed the minimum specifications of the tests required for API Licensing?
First, AMSOIL INC. works closely with major additive companies to design the top performing passenger car and heavy-duty diesel motor oil additives. These additives have already passed all of the API licensing requirements in a petroleum or synthetic based formulation. AMSOIL’s experienced R&D Chemists work with the additive company to maximize the amount of additive used and to boost the additive package inselected performance areas to achieve an optimum performing additive package for reduced wear and extended drain intervals. This is unlike the vast majority of companies who, because additives are expensive, use the minimum amount of the least expensive additives required to meet the minimum APIrequirements.
AMSOIL utilizes a blend of carefully selected synthetic basestocks with known performance characteristics as a replacement for the petroleum basestocks to optimize performance in areas of lubricity, volatility, viscosity index, oxidation and nitration resistance, pour points, flash points, deposit control, soot handling, emissions, etc. We also utilize a highly shear stable VI improver to ensure viscosity retention throughout extended drain intervals. This replaces the inexpensive and less shear stable VI improver used in the API licensed petroleum formulas. AMSOIL does laboratory bench tests before running field tests to verify the superiority of the synthetic formula in actual use. We also continue to monitor the performance of the oil through close scrutiny of tens of thousands of oil analysis tests per year across a wide variety of vehicles, all around North America and the World. AMSOIL INC. has been collecting used synthetic oil samples from passenger cars since 1982. No other oil company has such a vast database documenting the performance of synthetic lubricants over extended drain intervals.
AMSOIL products and formulations outperform API licensed oils. They're engineered that way! Period!
NEW - Motorcycle Oil whitepaper study. Tests performed by Southwest Research show 15 top rated 40W and 50W motorcycle oils head to head in 12 critical tests including Viscosity Sheer Stability, Foam Control, Gear Performance, Price and High Temperature/High Sheer Viscosity. Sever top brands fail out of grade even before the end of a typical testing cycle.
They certainly didn't think anyone would spend the $200,000 it takes to run these tests so you could see where they rank in quality. AMSOIL says "You can clearly see we are not the best in every test but when you consider our performance across the board conclusively and where it counts, we offer the consumer unmatched quality."
Download the Motorcycle Oil Study - (1MB PDF File)
In my Motorcycle; How can a 20W50 protect my transmission when it calls for a 90WT, 85W90 or 75W90?
The answer is simple. The viscosity for engine oils and gear oils are not part of the same scale. In fact a SAE 90 gear oil may actually have less viscosity than a SAE50 (20W50). The illustration clearly explains why. Now you know something most mechanics don't know.
Note on the above chart - We will soon be publishing a whitepaper study showing that most 90 WT gear oils use the cheapest base stocks thus at the bottom of the scale before early shear. This means they dip into the 40WT (engine oil) relm long before they are replaced, thus the inefficient operation.
Grants Pass, OR AMSOIL
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However, you may download material from our web site for your personal, noncommercial use only.
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WARRANTY CONCERNS
If I don’t use an API Licensed Motor Oil, doesn’t that void my manufacturer’s warranty?
Fortunately, the law does not allow manufacturers to "void your warranty" simply because of the brand of oil you use, the specifications it meets or the miles you drive between oil changes. To be specific, they cannot deny fixing your broken radio, faulty valve or cracked piston because you used an AMSOIL non-API licensed motor oil, or because you've gone more than 3000 miles since your last oil change. Denial of warranty coverage must be specifically due to an oil related failure. All courts of law will rule against any manufacturer or dealership that tries these warranty shenanigans.
If any automobile dealership insinuates that your warranty will be void if you use AMSOIL products or utilize extended drain intervals, let AMSOIL INC. know the name of the Dealership, the address, the owner's name and the name of the employee that made this statement. Mail to:
AMSOIL INC.
Attention: Technical Services Department
AMSOIL Building
Superior, WI 54880
or e-mail to tech@amsoil.com .
They will almost never put it in writing, but if they do, please send us a copy of that, too. Either way, we will send them a letter informing them they must cease the intimidation of our customers.
Only if the oil is determined to be the direct cause of the engine problem can a manufacturer or dealership deny warranty coverage for that specific problem. In this situation the AMSOIL warranty would apply, and the AMSOIL Technical Services Department would assist you in processing your claim and in getting the vehicle repaired. That's our pledge to you!
AMSOIL INC. sells millions of gallons of oil per year and warranty claims are a rare occurrence. If you ever have a warranty problem with an automobile manufacturer or dealership, AMSOIL will assist you by analyzing the problem and providing data supporting the fact that repairs should be made under the vehicle manufacturer's warranty. If this does not resolve the problem, AMSOIL will submit a claim with our insurance company and request that an adjuster have the vehicle repaired and pursue legal settlement later if necessary. The fact is there has never been an engine failure attributed to the non-performance of AMSOIL products, and we do not expect there ever will be. If there ever was, both AMSOIL and our insurance company would make certain your problem was resolved.
How do I know that AMSOIL products meet or exceed the minimum specifications of the tests required for API Licensing?
First, AMSOIL INC. works closely with major additive companies to design the top performing passenger car and heavy-duty diesel motor oil additives. These additives have already passed all of the API licensing requirements in a petroleum or synthetic based formulation. AMSOIL’s experienced R&D Chemists work with the additive company to maximize the amount of additive used and to boost the additive package inselected performance areas to achieve an optimum performing additive package for reduced wear and extended drain intervals. This is unlike the vast majority of companies who, because additives are expensive, use the minimum amount of the least expensive additives required to meet the minimum APIrequirements.
AMSOIL utilizes a blend of carefully selected synthetic basestocks with known performance characteristics as a replacement for the petroleum basestocks to optimize performance in areas of lubricity, volatility, viscosity index, oxidation and nitration resistance, pour points, flash points, deposit control, soot handling, emissions, etc. We also utilize a highly shear stable VI improver to ensure viscosity retention throughout extended drain intervals. This replaces the inexpensive and less shear stable VI improver used in the API licensed petroleum formulas. AMSOIL does laboratory bench tests before running field tests to verify the superiority of the synthetic formula in actual use. We also continue to monitor the performance of the oil through close scrutiny of tens of thousands of oil analysis tests per year across a wide variety of vehicles, all around North America and the World. AMSOIL INC. has been collecting used synthetic oil samples from passenger cars since 1982. No other oil company has such a vast database documenting the performance of synthetic lubricants over extended drain intervals.
AMSOIL products and formulations outperform API licensed oils. They're engineered that way! Period!
NEW - Motorcycle Oil whitepaper study. Tests performed by Southwest Research show 15 top rated 40W and 50W motorcycle oils head to head in 12 critical tests including Viscosity Sheer Stability, Foam Control, Gear Performance, Price and High Temperature/High Sheer Viscosity. Sever top brands fail out of grade even before the end of a typical testing cycle.
They certainly didn't think anyone would spend the $200,000 it takes to run these tests so you could see where they rank in quality. AMSOIL says "You can clearly see we are not the best in every test but when you consider our performance across the board conclusively and where it counts, we offer the consumer unmatched quality."
Download the Motorcycle Oil Study - (1MB PDF File)
In my Motorcycle; How can a 20W50 protect my transmission when it calls for a 90WT, 85W90 or 75W90?
The answer is simple. The viscosity for engine oils and gear oils are not part of the same scale. In fact a SAE 90 gear oil may actually have less viscosity than a SAE50 (20W50). The illustration clearly explains why. Now you know something most mechanics don't know.
Note on the above chart - We will soon be publishing a whitepaper study showing that most 90 WT gear oils use the cheapest base stocks thus at the bottom of the scale before early shear. This means they dip into the 40WT (engine oil) relm long before they are replaced, thus the inefficient operation.
Grants Pass, OR AMSOIL
AMSOIL Home • Buy Products • Dealer Info • Bypass Filters • Contacts
Copyright © 2000-2008 The Synthetic Warehouse. All rights reserved. All materials contained on this site are protected by International copyright law and may not be reproduced, musterd, distributed, transmitted, displayed, published or broadcast without the prior written permission of The Synthetic Warehouse or AMSOIL INC. We do check often and take action to those using our unique material.
However, you may download material from our web site for your personal, noncommercial use only.
AMSOIL INC. ISO 9001:2000 Certified
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If I don’t use an API Licensed Motor Oil, doesn’t that void my manufacturer’s warranty?
Fortunately, the law does not allow manufacturers to "void your warranty" simply because of the brand of oil you use, the specifications it meets or the miles you drive between oil changes. To be specific, they cannot deny fixing your broken radio, faulty valve or cracked piston because you used an AMSOIL non-API licensed motor oil, or because you've gone more than 3000 miles since your last oil change. Denial of warranty coverage must be specifically due to an oil related failure. All courts of law will rule against any manufacturer or dealership that tries these warranty shenanigans.
If any automobile dealership insinuates that your warranty will be void if you use AMSOIL products or utilize extended drain intervals, let AMSOIL INC. know the name of the Dealership, the address, the owner's name and the name of the employee that made this statement. Mail to:
AMSOIL INC.
Attention: Technical Services Department
AMSOIL Building
Superior, WI 54880
or e-mail to tech@amsoil.com .
They will almost never put it in writing, but if they do, please send us a copy of that, too. Either way, we will send them a letter informing them they must cease the intimidation of our customers.
Only if the oil is determined to be the direct cause of the engine problem can a manufacturer or dealership deny warranty coverage for that specific problem. In this situation the AMSOIL warranty would apply, and the AMSOIL Technical Services Department would assist you in processing your claim and in getting the vehicle repaired. That's our pledge to you!
AMSOIL INC. sells millions of gallons of oil per year and warranty claims are a rare occurrence. If you ever have a warranty problem with an automobile manufacturer or dealership, AMSOIL will assist you by analyzing the problem and providing data supporting the fact that repairs should be made under the vehicle manufacturer's warranty. If this does not resolve the problem, AMSOIL will submit a claim with our insurance company and request that an adjuster have the vehicle repaired and pursue legal settlement later if necessary. The fact is there has never been an engine failure attributed to the non-performance of AMSOIL products, and we do not expect there ever will be. If there ever was, both AMSOIL and our insurance company would make certain your problem was resolved.
How do I know that AMSOIL products meet or exceed the minimum specifications of the tests required for API Licensing?
First, AMSOIL INC. works closely with major additive companies to design the top performing passenger car and heavy-duty diesel motor oil additives. These additives have already passed all of the API licensing requirements in a petroleum or synthetic based formulation. AMSOIL’s experienced R&D Chemists work with the additive company to maximize the amount of additive used and to boost the additive package inselected performance areas to achieve an optimum performing additive package for reduced wear and extended drain intervals. This is unlike the vast majority of companies who, because additives are expensive, use the minimum amount of the least expensive additives required to meet the minimum APIrequirements.
AMSOIL utilizes a blend of carefully selected synthetic basestocks with known performance characteristics as a replacement for the petroleum basestocks to optimize performance in areas of lubricity, volatility, viscosity index, oxidation and nitration resistance, pour points, flash points, deposit control, soot handling, emissions, etc. We also utilize a highly shear stable VI improver to ensure viscosity retention throughout extended drain intervals. This replaces the inexpensive and less shear stable VI improver used in the API licensed petroleum formulas. AMSOIL does laboratory bench tests before running field tests to verify the superiority of the synthetic formula in actual use. We also continue to monitor the performance of the oil through close scrutiny of tens of thousands of oil analysis tests per year across a wide variety of vehicles, all around North America and the World. AMSOIL INC. has been collecting used synthetic oil samples from passenger cars since 1982. No other oil company has such a vast database documenting the performance of synthetic lubricants over extended drain intervals.
AMSOIL products and formulations outperform API licensed oils. They're engineered that way! Period!
NEW - Motorcycle Oil whitepaper study. Tests performed by Southwest Research show 15 top rated 40W and 50W motorcycle oils head to head in 12 critical tests including Viscosity Sheer Stability, Foam Control, Gear Performance, Price and High Temperature/High Sheer Viscosity. Sever top brands fail out of grade even before the end of a typical testing cycle.
They certainly didn't think anyone would spend the $200,000 it takes to run these tests so you could see where they rank in quality. AMSOIL says "You can clearly see we are not the best in every test but when you consider our performance across the board conclusively and where it counts, we offer the consumer unmatched quality."
Download the Motorcycle Oil Study - (1MB PDF File)
In my Motorcycle; How can a 20W50 protect my transmission when it calls for a 90WT, 85W90 or 75W90?
The answer is simple. The viscosity for engine oils and gear oils are not part of the same scale. In fact a SAE 90 gear oil may actually have less viscosity than a SAE50 (20W50). The illustration clearly explains why. Now you know something most mechanics don't know.
Note on the above chart - We will soon be publishing a whitepaper study showing that most 90 WT gear oils use the cheapest base stocks thus at the bottom of the scale before early shear. This means they dip into the 40WT (engine oil) relm long before they are replaced, thus the inefficient operation.
Grants Pass, OR AMSOIL
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However, you may download material from our web site for your personal, noncommercial use only.
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Looks like alot of tap dancing on their part IMO. Typical Amsoil propaganda.
api.org > syntheticwarehouse.com
Last edited by halfass872; Nov 16, 2009 at 11:13 AM.
It represents Amsoil's side of the story. Yes it's Amsoil's statements. I wasn't trying to hide that fact obviously.
So what is API's take on it?
I don't know about you but the numerous UOA's on Amsoil's products speak for themselves.
So what is API's take on it?
I don't know about you but the numerous UOA's on Amsoil's products speak for themselves.
You can purchase Amsoil online and have their products shipped directly to your house.
Several Hardware stores & recreational dealerships in our area sell Amsoil products.
halfass872 maybe in your area you have a poor salesman/women who doesn't truely represent the company!!!!
We have been dealing Amsoil products since around 1975. We even picked up NYS DOT in the 90's. Converted the NYS vehicle pool to synthetic. Saving the state some serious cash with their extended drain intervals.
Amsoil is a proven product. I run it in all my Race skis. While some of my friends bust my ballz cause they run Ipone and swear by it
Unfortunately not every dealer out there is like us! We swear by the product and in many cases sell it for a small margin to gain fellow Amsoil users. Its not our full time job or even a 2nd income!!!!!!!! Its basically selling something you believe in and at the sametime for us getting it at cost For my our own uses! I always have a drum of two cycle injector oil and 5w-30
Friends & family of mine are always welcome to have it cost.
Several Hardware stores & recreational dealerships in our area sell Amsoil products.
halfass872 maybe in your area you have a poor salesman/women who doesn't truely represent the company!!!!
We have been dealing Amsoil products since around 1975. We even picked up NYS DOT in the 90's. Converted the NYS vehicle pool to synthetic. Saving the state some serious cash with their extended drain intervals.
Amsoil is a proven product. I run it in all my Race skis. While some of my friends bust my ballz cause they run Ipone and swear by it
Unfortunately not every dealer out there is like us! We swear by the product and in many cases sell it for a small margin to gain fellow Amsoil users. Its not our full time job or even a 2nd income!!!!!!!! Its basically selling something you believe in and at the sametime for us getting it at cost
For my our own uses! I always have a drum of two cycle injector oil and 5w-30 Friends & family of mine are always welcome to have it cost.
