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Old Feb 7, 2015 | 12:52 PM
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My '03 Stillen Stage 3 (7 PSI) has been rock solid since new. No issues. Driven only for fun, it now it has 68K Miles and is throwing 2 P0175 codes: Left and Right bank too rich. When I start the car, it idles low and rough until I warm it up a bit. Then it runs OK. It seems lower on power but I've gotten used to driving a less-tamed muscle car and cannot be sure. Only stalled once and is manageable but not quite right.

I put in the expensive Bosch Platinum plugs about 2 years ago and am about to pull them to check how they look. K&N gets cleaned fairly regularly, but not before the P0175 codes started showing up. That should not have been the problem.

What are some diagnostic things I can do to narrow down where the issue is?

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Old Feb 7, 2015 | 04:30 PM
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Have you looked to see what your afr's are, Or just going off of your codes? If your running rich now you may have a boost leak, has you boost levels changed at all? You dont need expensive spark plugs nkg's will work just fine. I was spitting fuel out of my exhaust and never got that code fyi.
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Old Feb 8, 2015 | 05:46 AM
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I am going off the codes. I do not know how to get an AFR reading, but have the following Short and Long Term Fuel Trim readings:

B1 STFT 0.0%
B1 LTFT -7.8%
B2 STFT -25%
B2 LTFT -25%

I think that shows Bank 2 is whacked but Bank 1 also shows an error. Which side is bank 2?
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Old Feb 8, 2015 | 06:27 AM
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I THINK B1 is cylinders 1,3,5 and B2 is 2,4,6.

Are you close to a dyno or a tuner?
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Old Feb 8, 2015 | 08:49 AM
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The two dyno shops I go to specializes in Fords or Chevys.

Read another code. Fuel System 1 OL Fault.
Fuel System 2 CL
ECT 172 Degrees F.
Calc Load 49.0%

What does an Open Loop fault mean?
What is the difference between Fuel System 1 and 2?
Anything else relevant?
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Old Feb 8, 2015 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by robdumoulin
The two dyno shops I go to specializes in Fords or Chevys.

Read another code. Fuel System 1 OL Fault.
Fuel System 2 CL
ECT 172 Degrees F.
Calc Load 49.0%

What does an Open Loop fault mean?
What is the difference between Fuel System 1 and 2?
Anything else relevant?
Is ECT 172 degrees F reading when your engine is warm?,does it get hotter than that? Your engine may not be going into closed loop due to low temp readings
Also if the ect reads a low temperature it will richen up the afr to lite up the cat converters,Whether you have cats or not...
I know my ect reads around 190F-210F roughly.
So you may either have a faulty ect sensor or a thermstat problem.

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Old Feb 8, 2015 | 10:03 AM
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The ETC reading I believe is written at the time of the fault. To test that, I warmed the car up to normal temps, stopped it, then cleared the codes. When I would clear the codes with the car cold, the Check Engine light would come on within minutes. Resetting the codes with the car warm did not trip a Check Engine yet and therefore I have no entry for the ETC. I'll have to wait until it cools down to see if it trips quicklly when cold.

Another piece of the puzzle:

My on board computer says I am getting 42 MPG when the check engine light is on. Woo hoo! It returned back to normal when I reset it hot and drove it.

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