Racing seat, no harness, no airbag = death sentence?
04-29-2008, 02:39 PM
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still not being specific enough
a full bucket seat needs harnesses
a reclining seat does not, and can use a stock seatbelt
recipe for disaster? I don't think so....many Z's didnt come with side airbags
a full bucket seat needs harnesses
a reclining seat does not, and can use a stock seatbelt
recipe for disaster? I don't think so....many Z's didnt come with side airbags
04-29-2008, 03:01 PM
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if it's reclinable, I wouldn't label it a racing seat. 
I know what you mean though. But reclinable "racing" seat and no other changes = you are fine.
Personally I think you are creating a recipe for disaster if you DID run a cage; cages are meant for cars whose occupant(s) are wearing helmets. Even with padding, hit your head hard against a cage and you are in for a world of hurt.
As for the airbag, take in to consideration that your insurance company gives you a rate based on that factor being present in your car. Purposely removing a major safety item such as an airbag will create some extremely serious issues in the event of an accident.
I know what you mean though. But reclinable "racing" seat and no other changes = you are fine.Personally I think you are creating a recipe for disaster if you DID run a cage; cages are meant for cars whose occupant(s) are wearing helmets. Even with padding, hit your head hard against a cage and you are in for a world of hurt.
As for the airbag, take in to consideration that your insurance company gives you a rate based on that factor being present in your car. Purposely removing a major safety item such as an airbag will create some extremely serious issues in the event of an accident.
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04-29-2008, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MaRbLe
I had to lose my airbag when I went to paddles, cant run the stock wheel. I must say not having an airbag is in my mind.
04-29-2008, 07:03 PM
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Was it a death sentence to drive in the 80's and before that? It's like people forgot that airbags have really only become standard since the 90's..
...before that you'd sit in a bench seat with seatbelts that you had to dig out of the seat crack with no crumple zones, no collapsible steering column, no air bags, no abs, no computer traction control .. what we got today without airbags and with racing seats is still 1000x better than what we had 20 years ago..
...before that you'd sit in a bench seat with seatbelts that you had to dig out of the seat crack with no crumple zones, no collapsible steering column, no air bags, no abs, no computer traction control .. what we got today without airbags and with racing seats is still 1000x better than what we had 20 years ago..
04-29-2008, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Mazinger Z
Wondering if anyone thinks this is dangerous:
Racing seat + Stock seatbelt
No Harness, no roll cage, no seat airbag
Drive like an as#hole
Is this a recipe for disaster?
Racing seat + Stock seatbelt
No Harness, no roll cage, no seat airbag
Drive like an as#hole
Is this a recipe for disaster?
04-29-2008, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by leemik
Was it a death sentence to drive in the 80's and before that? It's like people forgot that airbags have really only become standard since the 90's..
...before that you'd sit in a bench seat with seatbelts that you had to dig out of the seat crack with no crumple zones, no collapsible steering column, no air bags, no abs, no computer traction control .. what we got today without airbags and with racing seats is still 1000x better than what we had 20 years ago..
...before that you'd sit in a bench seat with seatbelts that you had to dig out of the seat crack with no crumple zones, no collapsible steering column, no air bags, no abs, no computer traction control .. what we got today without airbags and with racing seats is still 1000x better than what we had 20 years ago..
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04-30-2008, 04:26 AM
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because the angles at which buckets are constructed, is based around a belt fitting through the seat, not around it. Can it be done? Sure, I am sure tons of people have done it. Would I recommend it? Absolutely not
04-30-2008, 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by JETPILOT
As a matter of fact the mortality rate in the era preceding these saftey devices was much higher.
04-30-2008, 08:29 AM
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I of course remember cars with no airbags, but I'm going to assume your initial post wasn't in response to me since I didn't mention mortality in relation to airbags. What I DID mention is the consequences of removing one of the most important safety devices in your car--both from a safety standpoint and a legal one.
Airbags greatly reduce the amount of serious injury incurred in the event of an accident, that much I'm fairly sure we can all agree on (I know their pitfalls, but a busted nose or a bruised forehead is many times better than a fractured skull). However, if you get in an accident and have serious injury indicitive of someone that was not protected from an airbag, your insurance company is going to be asking questions. First would be why it didn't deploy, in which case they would bring lawsuit to the car manufacturer to cover your medical bills. When they realize that you purposely removed the airbag, they may revoke their responsibility to pay your medical bills and will likely drop you from their services. So while you are in the hospital with serious injury that could have been prevented by leaving your airbag intact, you also are now going to have to find a way to pay for the medical care out-of-pocket.
4-point harnesses are also cause for concern on a street-driven vehicle if mounted to the floor; floor-mounted harness straps will pull your body down in to the seat (instead of back) as the momentum of an accident carries you forward, which will cause serious back and shoulder injury. If the force of impact was strong enough it will actually rip the chair out of the floor, sending your entire strapped body flying in to your dashboard and windshield. The only safe way to run harnesses is to match them with a formidably-strong, rear-mounted shoulder-height harness bar to anchor the straps.
I already mentioned how unstreetable a cage could be; as said before, cages are meant for cars whose occupant(s) are wearing helmets. Your head will split open like a melon if knocked against one with any force at all.
Personally, the farthest I would go would be to install reclinable racing seats that still allow me the use of the factory seatbelts--or if that's not possible, run harnesses with a properly installed harness bar. It is up to you if you would like any other parts (or combination of) that have been mentioned in this thread; I am not going to preach and tell someone NOT to do anything, but I WILL throw out the ramifications of making those decisions.
Airbags greatly reduce the amount of serious injury incurred in the event of an accident, that much I'm fairly sure we can all agree on (I know their pitfalls, but a busted nose or a bruised forehead is many times better than a fractured skull). However, if you get in an accident and have serious injury indicitive of someone that was not protected from an airbag, your insurance company is going to be asking questions. First would be why it didn't deploy, in which case they would bring lawsuit to the car manufacturer to cover your medical bills. When they realize that you purposely removed the airbag, they may revoke their responsibility to pay your medical bills and will likely drop you from their services. So while you are in the hospital with serious injury that could have been prevented by leaving your airbag intact, you also are now going to have to find a way to pay for the medical care out-of-pocket.
4-point harnesses are also cause for concern on a street-driven vehicle if mounted to the floor; floor-mounted harness straps will pull your body down in to the seat (instead of back) as the momentum of an accident carries you forward, which will cause serious back and shoulder injury. If the force of impact was strong enough it will actually rip the chair out of the floor, sending your entire strapped body flying in to your dashboard and windshield. The only safe way to run harnesses is to match them with a formidably-strong, rear-mounted shoulder-height harness bar to anchor the straps.
I already mentioned how unstreetable a cage could be; as said before, cages are meant for cars whose occupant(s) are wearing helmets. Your head will split open like a melon if knocked against one with any force at all.
Personally, the farthest I would go would be to install reclinable racing seats that still allow me the use of the factory seatbelts--or if that's not possible, run harnesses with a properly installed harness bar. It is up to you if you would like any other parts (or combination of) that have been mentioned in this thread; I am not going to preach and tell someone NOT to do anything, but I WILL throw out the ramifications of making those decisions.
04-30-2008, 08:29 AM
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not to mention there are alot more cars on the road today than in years past, and alot more roads...law of averages says as a net result, you have to have more accidents