Just arrived---> Catz 5700K Hid
11-06-2003, 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by SizongZ
I'm curious to see how many people that currently have quality 6000k+ HID's think that 4500K HIDS are brighter????
I have upgraded my HIDS to 7000K and it's way brighter than stock 4k's. And yes I have done side by side comparisons.
Now please don't get the quality HID units with ballasts confused with those 75 dollar PIAA and Razo HID bulbs. They just give you the HID colors... but are not real HID's
I'm curious to see how many people that currently have quality 6000k+ HID's think that 4500K HIDS are brighter????
I have upgraded my HIDS to 7000K and it's way brighter than stock 4k's. And yes I have done side by side comparisons.
Now please don't get the quality HID units with ballasts confused with those 75 dollar PIAA and Razo HID bulbs. They just give you the HID colors... but are not real HID's
It's a fact, 4100Ks are brighter than 6000K or 7000K.
4100K Philips are rated at 3200 +/-450 lumen and 6000K at 2900+/- 400 lumen
It also is a fact that the higher the color, the less usable the light is.
Go to Hidforum.com and ask that question an you will see that you may be the only one that thinks 7000K is brighter than 4100K.
By the way, no reputable company makes 7000K capsules, so you may have a "quality" issue with your setup.
11-10-2003, 12:24 PM
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How did I do a side by side comparison. Well I parked one Z with stock hids next to my car with the 7k upgraded bulbs. Stood about 50 feet in front of the cars and saw that my 7k's where brighter. I could go get a light meter and check but I think my eye sight works well enough.
11-10-2003, 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by SizongZ
How did I do a side by side comparison. Well I parked one Z with stock hids next to my car with the 7k upgraded bulbs. Stood about 50 feet in front of the cars and saw that my 7k's where brighter. I could go get a light meter and check but I think my eye sight works well enough.
How did I do a side by side comparison. Well I parked one Z with stock hids next to my car with the 7k upgraded bulbs. Stood about 50 feet in front of the cars and saw that my 7k's where brighter. I could go get a light meter and check but I think my eye sight works well enough.
03-10-2004, 08:15 PM
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i think what was happening Sizongz, was that when you were looking at them, your view angle was off. Look at the pic below. the right beam "seems" brighter than the left yet when sitting in the drivers seat the colors are the same.
03-11-2004, 05:57 AM
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THey only appear brighter to your eyes because they cause more glare. The more "bluer" looking the light, the more glare.
That being said, they do look damn awesome if aimed properly.
That being said, they do look damn awesome if aimed properly.
03-11-2004, 06:36 AM
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lower spectrums are brighter....so most factory output is between 4300k and 4700k, higher the spectrum, only changes the color of the light, but less the density.
09-01-2005, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by old_s13
1) HID retrofit kits which were designed with the intent to retrofit a halogen headlamp to HID have and always were illegal, the laws did not change -- the amount of enforcement did.
2) The reason NHTSA stepped in is probably not from low-grade racers driving around with blue bulbs. It is a mix of cars equipped with HID that already emit an annoying lighting pattern (there are several OEM vehicles that come to my mind), in addition to the MANY consumers who purchased these illegal retrofit kits and put them on their vehicles.
3) Just incase you guys didnt realize this, but when you change the factory D2R bulb to a D2S, you are actually messing with the lighting pattern. I've done some side-by-side comparisons, its NOT an upgrade.. I can tell you that much. The cutoff is way less focused and blotchy.
I believe most OEM D2x applications come with a 4300k kelvin rating. Anything above that obviously reduces light output. Having a light meter will help you realize this, just incase you have any doubts.
- Mike / ClearCorners.Com
2) The reason NHTSA stepped in is probably not from low-grade racers driving around with blue bulbs. It is a mix of cars equipped with HID that already emit an annoying lighting pattern (there are several OEM vehicles that come to my mind), in addition to the MANY consumers who purchased these illegal retrofit kits and put them on their vehicles.
3) Just incase you guys didnt realize this, but when you change the factory D2R bulb to a D2S, you are actually messing with the lighting pattern. I've done some side-by-side comparisons, its NOT an upgrade.. I can tell you that much. The cutoff is way less focused and blotchy.
I believe most OEM D2x applications come with a 4300k kelvin rating. Anything above that obviously reduces light output. Having a light meter will help you realize this, just incase you have any doubts.
- Mike / ClearCorners.Com
if all that is true then why are people claiming vast improvement, best upgrade, light up night ect...?????
09-01-2005, 07:34 PM
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I have driven next to alot of cars that have nice HID systems stock, TL's, BMW 3 Series, my HID's go out as far as them, but on the ground, my blueish color is not as bright as the white light on the ground (obvious) but the difference is definitely worth it. I get that great color from every angle, the headlights look so awesome from head on, and I dont have to sacrifice too much visibility on the ground.
My halogens were kind of lazy eyed from the factory, and didnt stretch out very wide, they kind of just pointed at the ground right infront of my car, when I got the HID's I could see far left and right, and farther ahead, and the color is amazing. Overall I am very happy with them, but I think I might go a tad less color, maybe in the lower 6K range that way I don't get made fun of by the hardcore HID enthusiasts, lol...
My halogens were kind of lazy eyed from the factory, and didnt stretch out very wide, they kind of just pointed at the ground right infront of my car, when I got the HID's I could see far left and right, and farther ahead, and the color is amazing. Overall I am very happy with them, but I think I might go a tad less color, maybe in the lower 6K range that way I don't get made fun of by the hardcore HID enthusiasts, lol...
09-01-2005, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by aychoy
Finally arrived!!! I was trying to decide between 5000k and 6000k. I personally think 6000k has too much purple color and loses the brightness. Did a little research and found that Catz make 5700k which is suppose to be blue-ish white and brighter than 6000k.
Also, Catz just released the Raiging Yellow hid bulb replacement. I might get that for fog lights. We'll see...
I'll post some pic once I have it installed.
Also, Catz just released the Raiging Yellow hid bulb replacement. I might get that for fog lights. We'll see...
I'll post some pic once I have it installed.
09-01-2005, 07:43 PM
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If you're taking pictures with a digital camera make sure to take the auto color temp/white balance and change it to manual. Otherwise the camera will adjust your 4000K and 7000K lamps and make them pure white. Setting the color temp to 5500 K gives a pretty good indication of "true" daylight color temp.
Taken in the manual white balanced mode:
(halogen highbeams added)
Taken in the manual white balanced mode:
(halogen highbeams added)
09-02-2005, 11:55 AM
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Since everyone has input, I will add some. The higher the kelvin the lower the lumens. Hopefully everyone knows this. Now what you might not know is that on dry ground a stock hid(4300k) and a aftermarket hid(6000k) don't make much of a difference. Wait till it rains, you will definately notice that you can't see jack sh**. If you want a nice color, higher kelvin is better. If you wanna see in the rain leave it stock. I recently heard of the new PIAA hid ballast (super cobalt). They are supposed to project a 6000k light and is said not to reduce lumens. I'm thinking about getting them, but they're like $350 on E-bay. For now I leave the stock hid, good luck with your stuff everyone.
09-03-2005, 11:32 PM
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